problems problems :(

[merv]

Hello everybody,i need a bit of help with a very frustrating problem,i have tried all the variables but maybe you can suggest something i might have overlooked.
The last couple of weeks when shooting something weird happens after every say 20 or so arrows and that is number 21 goes low and when i say goes low i mean it goes off the face at 20 yards.
The same can happen with say the next arrow as well and then all of a sudden its ok again.
Shoot another say 10 or 20 and bang same again,i know it has to be hitting something but i just dont know what,at times i think i hear a slight "tik" as it hits something on the way out but i have yet to find out what.
I would normally shoot a 575 average on a portsmouth so i dont think its my form,lets face it you know when its your fault dont you.
I am shooting a helix with a cavalier arrow rest and platinum plus arrows with 4" feathers on board and using a beiter button and clicker.
I have shot a 588pb with this exact setup so as you can imagine its getting a bit "£$%^&)* frustrating to say the least.
Checked all the normal stuff...centre shot etc but still at a dead end.............................any suggestions will be gratefully recieved.

Got me scratching my head?? could the arrow be slipping off the rest at launch?

Check for damage to the end of the pressure button too.

Not aneasy one without seeing your bow?

[jaarus]

Interesting...

You hear a 'tik' you say?

Check the rest for fluid movement - perhaps it isnt swinging properly and 'sticking' (too strong a word but you know what I mean) at horizontal rest occasionally - so the ill fated arrow, as it passes, is snagging it ever so slightly?

[buzz lite beer]

I would suggest turning the magnet in the cavalier rest, just for one session, by rights you should have enough clearance to not worry about the fold away capabilities inherent in the design of this rest, a slight pinch of the arrow nock can lift the arrow and the rest folds away..if the problem goes away give the hook wire a little more bend to accommodate the larger diameter of your alloys, return the magnet to it's original position and be aware of finger position near the nock at full draw.

[BobCat]

Not been up on bow make but I will assume this is a recurve.

It must be something dramatic for such a difference and something that when not shooting you can not see. (You must have checked)

So the only thing I can think of like this would be are you nocking your arrow above the nocking point, it may sound daft (most of my suggestions are) but to make such a difference ? One test would be to test an arrow above the nocking point.

The Psychology of shooting so many arrows ok and then occasionally getting one wrong ..… No idea, but I have done odd things like this occasionally.

Nocking point not moved either? Then moved back on the next shot?

[Ffish]

Have you numbered your arrows? Is it the same arrow(s) every time that behave like this? I've heard of instances where someone shoots the arrow off the button rather than the rest, which would force it to go low.

[WhitehartFB]

Check to see if the nock is loose in the shaft or cracked. Healing the bow on release will make the arrow go low but not more than 2 colours at 20 yards also a lift of the bow shoulder will do the same.

I guess you have checked to see that everything is screwed down ok and your nocking point can't move, or is not too wide so that your fingers are holding the arrow in the right place most of the time. Finally check that your clicker cannot slip off the side of the arrow point rather than the end of the point especially if you touch the bottom of the nock with your finger (assuming you use one).

[Old Bloke]

I'm pretty sure I know what it is having had the same thing and "tik" and arrow patterns and the cause might surprise you. I will P.M. you Merv, haven't got the time just yet. Probably late tonight will be my first chance as I'm out shooting. It has nothing to do with your shooting form bye the way.

[geoffretired]

If it only happens every twenty arrows or so, it has to be some sort of event that self corrects, rather than a nocking point moving up the string for example.
If you have eight arrows in your quiver, it may be that you shoot the "bad" one every two or three ends rather than every end. If you have six arrows in your quiver ignore the last remark.
To miss the target at 20y sounds worse than a contact problem.
My guess is that it is the arrow getting under the button on some shots. Perhaps the rest is a little weak or rather low.Perhaps the arrow/clicker combination is pushing the rest in towards the riser so the arrow falls off the rest but remains under the clicker so it doesn't fall off the shelf.
I hope Old Bloke will solve your problem. When he does, please tell us what it is;I for one am very curious.
I've read the coaching manual and it's not in there!!

[Flying Whale]

Originally Posted by Old Bloke

I'm pretty sure I know what it is having had the same thing and "tik" and arrow patterns and the cause might surprise you. I will P.M. you Merv, haven't got the time just yet. Probably late tonight will be my first chance as I'm out shooting. It has nothing to do with your shooting form bye the way.

Perhaps if this proves to be the problem, you could enlighten uss all, just in case we come across it ourselves....on second thoughts perhaps you could enlighten us, even if it is not the problem in this case.