Different bow styles on same day

[Orinoco]

Hello everybody. I wonder if somebody can clear something up for me.

I have just been to the Norfolk Indoors (morning session... session 2 are shooting as I type). Had a bit of a bad day but that is a point for another thread a bit later.

My question is if you choose to shoot, say, recurve and compound or a combination of bow styles on a day, do you get sighters with the second bow.

A person I was talking to recently had been refused sighters on his second bow style and now as a result doesn't enter that competition any more. I thought I had read somewhere that if you don't change bow you don't get sighters but if you do, you do! (confusing sorry!)

Also, it says in the rules of shooting:
"Where two or more rounds are shot on one day in the same venue, only the first round will be accepted for a single round record, irrespective of bowstyle."
Is that towards the day in general or just for record status?? So if someone had a fantastic day and got say 2nd in recurve and 3rd in compound, would their positions stand?

Sorry I have asked that in the most long-winded way!!

TA

[Bald Eagle]

Have a word with Slowhand, he'll put you right!!

[Schme1440]

I think I did this once. You should get sighters with a different bow style but only the first score counts. I think its a misunderstanding from the organisers on this as this is a rare occurance. Hopefully Graham Potts will jump in here. Im sure he will know.

[Ceri Jones]

As far as i know...If you shoot say session A with a Recurve and then shoot session B with a compound both scores apply to their specific bow classes.
For North Wales Indoors I was going to shoot BB Session A and Compound Session C but needs to much re-setting up.

[SVL]

There has been a thread on this topic recently but I don't know how to set a link up to it.

Recurve & compound in the same Tournament.
SLOWHAND start it

Maybe a Mod could help ..... please

[Quadratus]

My reading of the Rules is that indoor shooting is covered by a combination of Rule 304(k)and Rule 400.

304(k) "An archer may only compete once, the first time of shooting, in any event regardless of the class of equipment used, the number of sessions in the event and whether the event extends over more than one day."

400 " The GNAS Rules of Shooting for Target Archery – Outdoor shall apply except as enumerated in the following paragraphs."

There is nothing in the "following paragraphs" that modifies 304(k) in any way. Rule 405(b), which is what seems to cause the confusion, applies only to claiming records, and virtually restates rule 308(b)(iv), covering outdoor shooting .

So, for any competition, you can compete only once, with the first score shot, no matter how many times you can persuade the organiser to let you shoot or what bow(s) you are using. The question of sighters becomes irrelevant.

I would be interested in any other interpretation of the Rules. I am not a judge and might well have missed something, but I can't see any grounds for confusion provided you actually read the Rules.

[Orinoco]

That was my interpretation too Quadratus, yet obviously a number of people I know do shoot different disciplines in one day and end up on the score sheet. You only have to look at the results for some competitions.

I am intending to shoot both compound and recurve at my club indoor shoot in a few weeks, really just to experience compound in competition. I normally shoot recurve. To be on the safe side I am doing recurve in the first session.

Can I ask why shooting two different bowstyles is not allowed. They are so different anyway, I can't see how it would give an advantage other than being warmed up, which should probably be done properly before the first session anyway. Surely, if anything, shooting recurve all morning will make compound harder rather than easier.

Sorry if there is another thread on this, I did do a search before my first post.

Night all

TA x

[Rik]

I've said before: it depends on how you define "event". Are pole vault and javelin the same event? Even if shot at the same competition? So, are recurve and compound the same event?

My position on the matter, is that if you are not competing for the same medals, you're not in the same event. Even if you're shooting at the same meeting. The rules need clarification; as they stand they are open to interpretation. If GNAS really mean to say you can't double bow, they should say so (and come up with justification for why not... I'd like to see that bit of sophistry ).

[moley101]

304(k) "An archer may only compete once, the first time of shooting, in any event regardless of the class of equipment used, the number of sessions in the event and whether the event extends over more than one day."

What defines "the event" As far as I'm aware the compound and recurve classes in any one competition are seperate competitions, are they then, by default, seperate event? In an indoor competition could the two seperate sessions be classed as an event in their own right, as the competition could exist with either session?
Does the rule actually refer to an archer 'double bowing' i.e. shooting recurve as detail A and then compound as detail B?

I fully understand the rule with regard to shooting two sessions with the same bow, but i can't see thelogic in not allowing one person to compete in multiple classes on the same day. If this is the case it is I will go out on a limb and say that IMHO another stupid rule that clouds the sport.

Also, what are the FITA rules with regard to this?

[Orinoco]

Fita rule book one says:

4.3.7 Athletes may compete in different divisions of the same event but under no circumstances may the program of the event be modified or the event be held up to accommodate that athlete.


Rule 4.3 gives the divisions:

4.3 DIVISIONS
4.3.1 Athletes using different types of bows are grouped in separate divisions and compete
in separate events. FITA recognizes the following Divisions:
4.3.2 For Outdoor Target Archery:
• Recurve Division as specified in article 7.3.1;
• Standard Bow Division with equipment as specified in article 7.3.2;
• Compound Division with equipment as specified in article 7.3.3.
4.3.3 For Indoor Target Archery:
• Recurve Division with equipment as specified in article 8.3.1;
• Compound Division with equipment as specified in article 8.3.2.
4.3.4 For Field Archery:
• Recurve Division with equipment as specified in article 9.3.1 - 9.3.11;
• Compound Division with equipment as specified in article 9.3.1 - 9.3.11;
• Barebow Division with equipment as specified in article 9.3.1 - 9.3.11;
• For non-Championship divisions see Chapters 9.3.1 – 9.3.11; 11.4.2; 11.10.2 I didn't copy clout and flight.

So you could compete in both at a FITA competition.

TA