Handicap

[gerald_edmundson]

i understand the idea of using 3 scores to work out the handicap.
If you shoot different types of round, eg a york and then a national would you still work out the handicap in the same way. Also what happens when you do a imperial and a metric round. Please exscuse my lack of understanding and confusion.

[Ffish]

It makes no difference which round you shoot. You can shoot any round, metric or imperial, and whatever you score will have its own h'cap rating. For instance:

York, 450 = 52 h'cap
Western, 575 = 52 h'cap
FITA, 675 = 52 h'cap

Go to the Saints & Sinners site, and you can play with the calculator and enter your own (real or fictitious) scores, and see what your handicap is, according to your scores.

[Flying Whale]

Originally Posted by gerald_edmundson

i understand the idea of using 3 scores to work out the handicap.
If you shoot different types of round, eg a york and then a national would you still work out the handicap in the same way. Also what happens when you do a imperial and a metric round. Please exscuse my lack of understanding and confusion.

It's not a problem. It is confusing at least at first.

Worked out exactly the same way. Theoretically (if the tables are a good reflection of phyical reality for all archers...) You should be able to shoot a York, and a short junior national, and the score you achieve in each should give the same handicap.

Lets give a concrete example

If my handicap is 50, I am expected to score
York: 511 (out of 1296)
Short Junior National: 600 (out of 648)

If you then loook up the allowance tables
York alowance: 929
Short Junior national allowance: 840


Adding the scores and allowances
York: 511 + 929 = 1440
Short Junior National: 600 + 840 = 1440


Thus you are able to make a direct comparison between different round lengths, distances etc.....

....assuming the handicap tables are a good reflection of reality. In actual fact people can usually do better with respect to their handicap on the short distance rounds. We are recommended at our club to spend our time mostly on the longer distance rounds, as pushing your handicap down on short distance rounds makes your handicap hard to live with.


Hope this helps

[Flying Whale]

Originally Posted by Ffish

It makes no difference which round you shoot. You can shoot any round, metric or imperial, and whatever you score will have its own h'cap rating. For instance:

York, 450 = 52 h'cap
Western, 575 = 52 h'cap
FITA, 675 = 52 h'cap

Go to the Saints & Sinners site, and you can play with the calculator and enter your own (real or fictitious) scores, and see what your handicap is, according to your scores.

The Ffish beats the Whale to the post...

Teach me to write such a long post!

[King Custard]

Ah,so it's simle then...

an archer with a handicap of 47 (lets say he scored 311, 313 & 315 out of a possible 360 max round - 3 dozens at 30m)
multipies his h/c 47 by 3 to get a figure of......
erm..... h/c of 141 for a 9 dozen Albion.

He wagers a £1 bet with "mr Perfect- all gold- never nowt else" who scores 972 every time he shoots an albion (108x9=972) and has a h/c of Zero---
and they agree to shoot to their handicaps............for a nicker.

Mr 'perfect-all gold' shoots his usual standard of 972- as does Mr ' got a pound to lose' for 831 and they draw after handicaps are applied....Mr ' got a pound to lose' has had a really good day ( by my current standards anyway)...but even if he shot just as well for three shoots.....it wouldn't affect his handicap because 831 is what he's expected to get on an Albion - just as his handicap says he's expected to score 313 on a jackfrost.

(I checked the math- if Im wrong at this point it's in my understanding)

Three questions:

Has our records officer or the software cocked up? I ask because even though I know (cos he told me) he is missing a few score sheets --- I'm a long way yet from hitting 831 on an albion! but always score over 300 on the jack frosts

My reported handicap of 47 is a fair bit out then, considering I'm looking for a 750'ish personal best this week and only 800 by september & bowman by next Summer

Shouldn't there be a handicap for each round?...or is it just that Im crap at any kind of longer distance and really I should play darts instead???

By brain hurts now from the maths above - later I'll work out the handicaps for 1st, 2nd, 3rd class bowman, MB and GMB- so that I can rummage through the club handicap report to see who I can take a pound off next.

Also just for perspective on the whole thing, and most interestingly -
What kind of handicaps would/do our treasured and respected National Team have...are they all on zero? If not - who is?

...Just so I know how to fiddle my own handicap and when to take The Big Boys and Girls on for a pound!


Awww...go on guys -post your own handicaps....(I'm trying to earn myself another set of limbs), won't cost you more than a pound for a wager.

Now THAT is what I call ' self belief '...
now watch me crash and burn

[Ffish]

Frostbites aren't classified as an official round, are they? So I dont think the h'cap rating for a Frostbite round scores as anything.

831 for a senior gent on an Albion is a h'cap score of 34. So yes, your records officer is way off. If your h'cap is 47, you should realistically expect to score around 650. But if you're capable of hitting 750, then your h'cap is somewhere nearer to 41.

I'm not sure anyone's reached a h'cap of zero, have they? I reckon it would be physically impossible to achieve. Looking at some of the scores from the Olympics, Im Dong-hyun scored a 687 in the 720 round, which gives him a h'cap of 6.

[King Custard]

Thanks
right, so I really dont know how he's worked that out then - never mind , I'll be shooting the same arrows off the same bow in the same direction....guess I dont need to understand!

Im dong hyung eh?

yeah - Like I wouldn't boast with a handicap of 6.