Coaching : Renewals and all that

[Meddler]

Since the other thread has gone off topic, here's a new start...

Originally Posted by mk1

I've just renewed. I was sent a form from GNAS office. It wasn't the form Meddler has just given alink to. So how does the system work?

I have the feeling that the renewal forms have been modified, but the GNAS website hasn't caught up... We went through the renewal form at the Development Conference, and basically you fill in pages 1 to 3 - pages 4 and 5 only come into play if you have been targeted for personal development plan.

I can go into the filling in of the form tonight, when I have a copy of the new form in front of me. But be warned, incorrectly filled in forms will be sent back...

I'm also talking to the NCO (Education) tonight, and I have a few concerns to raise with him about forms and availability thereof.

Originally Posted by mk1

Actually my renewal is probably stuck in the system somewhere as I have my copy of the CRBScotland check and I've a suspicion I've to send a photocopy of it on to GNAS before they can finalise my renewal.

Again, I'll check that for you.

Iain.

[BillM]

I also understand from Archery UK that you need 6 months on the Disclosure before your renewal will be processed. Does GNAS office have all the details that will allow a smooth renewal?

BillM

[mk1]

Originally Posted by BillM

I also understand from Archery UK that you need 6 months on the Disclosure before your renewal will be processed. Does GNAS office have all the details that will allow a smooth renewal?

BillM

I thought that it was up to the person/organisation "employing" you to request a fresh one and then a redo at stated intervals. NOT to accept one you already had. especially when they have no control over who ID'd you.

[mk1]

Again, I'll check that for you.

Iain.

Thanks Iain, I've been meaning to phone Bill and check as I can't remember what he said and the letter from GNAS didn't explain.

[Barndoor]

All GNAS CRB work is handled by Anne Rook AFAIK. Talk to Anne if you have any doubts or questions.

To pick up the photocopy question, dont bother as it is irrelevant, what matters is the disclosure that GNAS recieve direct as the registered body which may, in the case of an enhanced disclosure application, be more than the applicant gets on their copy. For the same reason disclosures are not transferable.

To pick upon the "6 months on the disclosure" please dont think that means that disclosures have a valid period, like MOT Certificates they are out of date the instant they are printed. What I think was intended was a "heads up" that the disclosure application process could take upto 6 months (it should not) and your renewal will not be finalised until it comes back and Anne has determined your suitability based on that disclosure. Hence apply early and minimize the risk of your existing coach period expiring before the renewal takes place.

[mk1]

Barndoor - sorry we're probably confusing folks a little here, but disclosure for Scottish folks are done under CRB-Scotland and GNAS don't handle those, so I believe Anne Rook will get a phone call from a designated person in Scotland to say whether someone has been cleared or not.

Scotland has a different "List" from those in England, and its against the law in Scotland to employ somone on the Scottish list. I should say that both England and Scotland search the UK criminal database - thankfully something is unified

[Barndoor]

Originally Posted by mk1

I thought that it was up to the person/organisation "employing" you to request a fresh one

Correct although to be pedantic you (the subject) are applying for the disclosure to be made to the registered body, who actually submit the application form.

Originally Posted by mk1

and then a redo at stated intervals.

AFAIK repeated checking was never the intention of CRB or CRB(S) and so their documentation does not cover it. Their standpoint on int tends to vary depending on who asks the question of them and where.

Originally Posted by mk1

NOT to accept one you already had. especially when they have no control over who ID'd you.

Correct and other reasons

[Barndoor]

Originally Posted by mk1

Barndoor - sorry we're probably confusing folks a little here, but disclosure for Scottish folks are done under CRB-Scotland and GNAS don't handle those, so I believe Anne Rook will get a phone call from a designated person in Scotland to say whether someone has been cleared or not.

Ahhh yes .... looks like there is an intermediary in Scotland that "pre and post processes" all unpaid for applications irrespective of who. If we had that in England and Wales perhaps there would be fewer, but as you say we are at a tangent