Beginners course duration

[ThePinkOne]

No reason why not, after all the Archery Leaders Course which is often taught over a number of intensive days is designed to take people from pretty much nothing to being able to shoot basics as well as teach the basics...

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[cornish george]

Originally Posted by Tony_zelah

I know of a case where a county coach (now a senior coach) taught one person for their beginner's course over about eight hours plus break times. Eight hours one to one with a coach is a lot more than 99% of us got when we all started.

Probably more than most ever get

[Owweeee]

Originally Posted by ThePinkOne

No reason why not, after all the Archery Leaders Course which is often taught over a number of intensive days is designed to take people from pretty much nothing to being able to shoot basics as well as teach the basics...

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It works really well, 3 days of almost nothing but shooting and down to the pub every evening.

[grimsby archer]

Originally Posted by bkupris

GNAS insurance does cover non members for 6 hours of beginners course lessons though.

GNAS MYTH FORMING!!!!

Where does this idea of "6 hours" come from?

My GNAS Public liability insurance document (GNAS Rules of Shooting, shooting administrative procedures 1) item 4, "Those Insured" includes, among others, "beginners prior to becoming members of the society for a maximum of their first six lessons"

I dont see any 6 hour limit there. If your lessons were one and a half hours, you would have to cease after 4 lessons.

The implication is, that if you lessons were 4 hours long, you would still be covered for the first 6 lessons (24 hours of tuition)

I love it when one person misquotes the GNAS ros or speaks knowledgably on GNAS insurance, someone else repeats it and pretty soon it takes its place in the GNAS book of legends and myths (BLAM) as an absolute, downright, self evident, undeniable, FACT because somebody remembers someone else saying so.

Also in the book:
If one person on your shooting line isnt a gnas member, all your insurance is invalid.
Beginners can only use recurve bows on beginners courses.
Beginners are not insured to use their own equipment on beginners courses.
Non GNAS members can take part in your GNAS events and benefit from GNAS insurance cover, as long as you call it a "social" rather than a competition and only admit specifically invited guests, such as "anyone from NFAS"

Perhaps this should have been a thread in its own right: "unsubstantiated GNAS/Insurance myths"

[bkupris]

Hi Grimsby Archer

Can you spell out exactly where all these quotes you are making are coming from? I see the bit that say's "lessons", thanks for pointing that out I can only find the requirements for beginners equipment to be used in the rules for "Have a Goes" ? I am referring to the online documents on the GNAS website. I am possibly missing something here. Any light you can shed on this to quash any "myths" is most welcome

[grimsby archer]

bkupris:

the quotes I quoted:

If one person on your shooting line isnt a gnas member, all your insurance is invalid. - This is one I hear regularly around the shooting fields of England.

Beginners can only use recurve bows on beginners courses. - Quoted on a recent Level1 coaches course by the course tutor.

Beginners are not insured to use their own equipment on beginners courses. - Quoted on a current coaches course taking place in Yorkshire

Non GNAS members can take part in your GNAS events and benefit from GNAS insurance cover, as long as you call it a "social" rather than a competition and only admit specifically invited guests, such as "anyone from NFAS". - Quoted by a secretary of a Lincolnshire GNAS Archery club, who actually run archery darts competitions under this premise

Personally I find all of these "facts" doubfull, but they are all claimed to be true by the people (in positions of authority in one form or another) who said them. More importantly, they then get repeated "as fact" by the people who heard them and quickly make their way into common gnas "law".

Mostly they are cases of misinterpretation of an existing ruling, a misinterpretation by choice (where the misinterpretation suits the requirements of the individual) or just plain made up, by people who dont know any better, though some of them may well be true and accurate, regardless of how strange or unlikely they may sound.

The list currently runs into nearly a hundred, and I am sure other readers on this forum must have their own favourites.

Today's gems: you can let non gnas archers take part in your field archery competition by declaring them as "beginners" and claiming the competition is part of the beginners course. - Source: EMAS committee minutes

If anyone at a record status shoot is found not to be a gnas member (or not wearing gnas official colours) then any records claimed will be invalid.

Slightly more contraversial:

Equipment inspection is optional - source: judge at a FITA star.

We have our own insurance policy that covers anyone for shooting - regular statement by clubs who claim to have their own insurance

Well, three of our members ARE gnas members, so we are a gnas club. The rest of our shooting members are just casual archers. - Source: various gnas clubs who avoid paying fees.

[bkupris]

grimsby archer

Now I follow you, thought you were referring to the quotes you made as fact as outlined in the GNAS docs. Perhaps a thread on clarification of the insurance issues and how they apply to beginners courses etc would help clear matters up in a positive way

Originally Posted by grimsby archer

bkupris:

the quotes I quoted:

If one person on your shooting line isnt a gnas member, all your insurance is invalid. - This is one I hear regularly around the shooting fields of England.

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I was interested enough to check with gnas and this is in fact TRUE and not a myth , as soon as a non-gnas member shoots all cover is invalidated.
Only exceptions are 'have a go' and 'beginners courses' and also blbs traditional rounds shooting alongside gnas longbows (this is only permitted as the have the same insurers)
Who's next to check another one?
Maybe we should have a Mythbuster thread?

[grimsby archer]

Originally Posted by John (OSF)

I was interested enough to check with gnas and this is in fact TRUE and not a myth , as soon as a non-gnas member shoots all cover is invalidated.
Only exceptions are 'have a go' and 'beginners courses' and also blbs traditional rounds shooting alongside gnas longbows (this is only permitted as the have the same insurers)
Who's next to check another one?
Maybe we should have a Mythbuster thread?

Strangely enough, when I checked with GNAS, I was told that it was only the non GNAS archer who would not be covered in event of incident. They went on to explain that it was the member who was covered, if someone were driving down the same road as you, without car insurance, you wouldnt expect it to invalidate YOUR car insurance, although you wouldnt expect them to get insurance cover in the event of crashing into you.
I am convinced that the "no one is covered if one person is non gnas" thing is a myth propagated by GNAS to "encourage" all tournament organisers and competitors to be vigilant about gnas membership, which follows my theory about myths propagated where it is in the myth creators interest or benefit to do so

Insurance (or lack thereof) is the one thing that everyone is sensitive about thesedays and so represents one of the few strangleholds that gnas can have on the membership

I'll email gnas and let them know that i'm posting their reply here, who knows?... we may even get a 3rd option