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Old 02-05-07, 01:31 AM
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Is it true that Nav's, ACEs and X10s raise your sight lots compared to ACCs?

I'm in a bit of a pickle with my arrows, currently I shoot ACCs, when i changed my limbs not long ago they started shooting stiff which i totally understand, but i have heard rumours that Nav's etc. can make such a difference to sight marks it's really worth going mad with money and splashing out! Is it true? I don't want to waste money on stuff that wouldn't make any difference! Cheers
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Old 02-05-07, 07:07 AM
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ACEs will give you a massive difference, the others... depends. Too many variables.

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Old 02-05-07, 07:36 AM
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Riser: KG Kudos anodised Blue
Limbs: Win&Win Inno's 38Lbs
Sight: Shibuya Ultima
Stabilisers: Arten 2000 carbon
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I went from acc to ace's and would never go back.
yes my sights are higher my groups are tighter and I am very happy with them.
If you can go to perris and use there bare shaft tuning service it is worth it.
mine are a spine lighter than the chart.
Navs and x10's are quite heavy they work very well in the wind but they wont raise you sight marks as much, if at all.
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Old 02-05-07, 08:40 AM
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If I didn't shoot ACEs, I'd never have been competitive at 90m. My 670s are VERY light. McKinney IIs are the next option I'd like to tryt if I can get my hands on them
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Old 02-05-07, 11:28 AM
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Limbs: Hoyt 900CX 40#
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Have to agree with the above; I changed from ACC to ACE and saw a massive improvement in sight marks. Without them I'd never reach the longer distances.
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Old 02-05-07, 11:33 AM
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It depends.

Depending what spine/length you need depends on what weight saving you would get.

When looking at new arrows for Kirsty, Nav's/X10's are heavier than her ACC's, with ACE's only being marginally lighter. Little arms and low draw weight are a bugger in this sport.

However, if you have a reasonable draw weight, then a decent set of arrows will help. My order of preference is as follows:

ACE
X10
NAV

I use Nav's, but would only considering upgrading if I could afford ACE's. I personally don't think X10's are worth the money.

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Old 02-05-07, 11:51 AM
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i think it'd be helpful to look at the weight per inch of the shaft as well

i'm small = short drawlength, and navs turn out to be much lighter than aces and i'm not shelling out for x10s until i shoot 1300s!!
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Old 02-05-07, 12:42 PM
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As people have said, it is all down to the grains per inch of the shaft, + pile, etc.

The three arrows mentioned are all thinner than ACC's so will have a smaller frontal area for draw.

With my 30.5" draw would struggle with ACC's, whereas with my wife's 24" arrows the ACC's are actually lighter.

Also with the ACC's you cannot load up the pile weight to get the desired FOC for a carbon arrow.
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Old 02-05-07, 01:06 PM
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The Easton web site has a downloadable shaft selector application. You enter the details of your set up (compound or recurve) and it will advise the best shaft for you including its weight and stiffness. It is then up to you to decide.

The X10's and ACE's will be more consistant than most others due to the manufacturing processes they use (and hence are more expensive).
I use ACC's which are well suited to my ability and budget.
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Old 02-05-07, 09:17 PM
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The X10's and ACE's will be more consistant than most others due to the manufacturing processes they use (and hence are more expensive).
But you have to be very good to be able to tell the difference.

Hang on. If consistency were all that important, surely we'd all be shooting X7s?
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