To Lean Or Not To Lean?

[peapod]

I have a question which is driving me crazy!:

I shoot a hoyt nexsus with 26lb limbs, using a beiter clicker, long rod and 27inch easton aluminium arrows. I have been shooting since end of april this year and progressed quite well right up to 50yds with no problem.

Well.........until now! The problem is as soon as I try for 60yds my sight is not on the boss I then have to lean back to bring the sight up. This is where I am struggling. I have been told that you HAVE to lean back to keep in alinement but others have said to raise the bow arm a little instead

The club i`m at are very friendly and i dont wish to offend anyone but it is getting a little confusing now been told different things.

The reason i`m posting is mainly....
1) Do I continue with these 26lb limbs even though i carnt reach my max distance (70m) as its coming towards the end of the outdoor season

2) figure it out next outdoor season and just focus on this set up for a good indoor season

3) I would like to enter a few more outdoor comp`s to hand in 3 scores for a windor (I already have one score of 664) so do I just shoot with an evelvated bow arm to get the 60yds....possibly risking good technique in the future

4) Do I lean or not and how far and how do i keep it consistant if I have to.......phew!

I know theres a lot of questions here but I would be very grateful for anyone`s input on this. thanks.

[english_archer]

Could do with a bit more infomation here have you run out of adjustment on your sight ? or is it just the elevation that is the problem ?
If it is elevation keep your arms in their normal position and move your upper torso from the waist this way everything stays in its normal alignment
If its a sight issuse have you tried moving the extension arm in ? (so the sight pin is closer to you) hope this helps

[grimsby archer]

Originally Posted by english_archer

Could do with a bit more infomation here have you run out of adjustment on your sight ? or is it just the elevation that is the problem ?
If it is elevation keep your arms in their normal position and move your upper torso from the waist this way everything stays in its normal alignment
If its a sight issuse have you tried moving the extension arm in ? (so the sight pin is closer to you) hope this helps

on (4) in support of english_archer's statements, making a normal T draw and then pivoting at the waist to gain elevation is called "unit aiming". the principal is to maintain the same position in the upper body, regardless of the elevation. To just raise the bow arm will change the shape of the vertical triangle between the bow shoulder, arrow point (or sight) and the nock of the arrow, effectively makeing the draw length shorter.
Unit aiming every time

on (1) and (2), if you are very comfortable at 26lbs, you can either carryon over the winter with the 26 because you dont really need any more to shoot 20yards and then spend the first half of next outdoor season trying to adjust to heavier limbs (assuming that is the route you are considering) OR get some heavier limbs now and take advantage of the indoor season to get used to them, so you can start the next outdoor season running.
With a 27 inch draw, you are only getting 24lbs out of the limbs, but will have the advantage of lighter arrows. I am surprised you cant reach 60yards with this setup. I feel there may be more to this. Find a qualified coach and take some proper advice. Advice from well meaning colleagues can be confusing

[peapod]

hi english archer, yes I have moved my sight pin nearer towards me and the sight pin- when my arm is extened- is still below the target. from what you have just said, i guess i still have to tilt do I? I shot today at 60yds without having to tilt back and just elevated by bow arm instead and i got ok grouping but not great.

[Little Miss Purple]

the grouping will come with practice.... and for your info, those limbs will reach 70metres!! You may need to upgrade your arrows depending on what you are using.

[BobUnitt]

To what part of your face are you drawing the string ?

[english_archer]

Originally Posted by Little Miss Purple

the grouping will come with practice.... and for your info, those limbs will reach 70metres!! You may need to upgrade your arrows depending on what you are using.

Good call LMP I hadnt noticed the ally arrows on the original post some nice shiny cartel triples or some acc's will make a world of difference and I agree those limbs are more than up to the job until they feel to light for you just keep working on your form rember to keep pulling back as you release to make sure you get full benefit of the poundage and you will soon be hitting gold after gold

[DeeH]

I might be speaking out of turn....but my son shoots a Samick riser 23" with 26lb limbs and can shoot 70metre with the sight reversed, (only 12) rather than having to make bodily ajustment. Just a thought.

[English Bowman]

To get the elevation needed you should unit aim or lean the whole body back because this keeps the shoulders and arms in line and the draw length consistent. If you just raise the arm, but keep your upper body upright you will shorten your draw, which will loose power, and if you have a clicker make it a nightmare to draw through. So yes, you do need to aim from the waist by leaning back until the sight is on the gold.

Daniel

[peapod]

thanks everyone for your input I will try to tilt from the waist I will see what happens in the next few weeks thanks very much