Buttons - Beiter or Shibuya?

[Ffish]

Can anyone tell me the advantage of a Beiter button over something like a Shibuya DX?

I currently use a Shib, but I'm toying with getting a Beiter, but to be honest the price of a Beiter is putting me off.

Bearing in mind this is a piece of kit that (once set) I never change the settings of, why does the Beiter with all it's infinitely variable settings have such appeal?

[Matt_1440]

The beiter button can be accurately turned 1/10th of a turn at a time, therefor making it much better for extreme precision tuning (nothing you really need to worry about until your shooting MB+).
At 1st class, the shibuya is easily good enough, as it still has a high quality build.

You say that you never change the settings of the button... does that mean that you have never tuned your bow? Do you check regularly to see if the tune needs changing?

[Ffish]

Originally Posted by Matt_1440

You say that you never change the settings of the button... does that mean that you have never tuned your bow? Do you check regularly to see if the tune needs changing?

Yes, my bow has been tuned, and is regularly checked for tune (about once a month) it was last done when I bought new limbs about 2-3 weeks ago, and I've checked bareshaft tendencies, walk back and centre shot etc.

I guess having a "click" system on a button is handy, but as you say it's probably only noticeable to do ultra fine tuning at MB+ level. I'm currently shooting BM h'cap scores (not done it at 100yds yet) so I've never felt the need to adjust anything on the button as it's giving me good groups at all distances.

[Little Miss Purple]

Originally Posted by Matt_1440

You say that you never change the settings of the button... does that mean that you have never tuned your bow? Do you check regularly to see if the tune needs changing?

Never...and NO

I was within 20-30 points off MB with my recurve, never touched or tuned!! It was however, set up by Aard

[moo-mop]

You can't tune to anywhere near that sort of accuracy at GMB - I know I've done that stats, hell I can't see any difference in real scores between spring completely hard and completely soft (providing there some give and it doesn't bottom out). You need to be far better than a 1250 that to be able to do that.
So the advantage in the bieter would be if it was somehow smoother which almost certainly would be more forgiving ie better quality spring/other components.
Some say this is so, I can't justify the price.

[Schme1440]

i was a shibi boy for years. I always thought the shib was the smoothest button out there. I was wrong. The shibi is a good button, but beiter is better. Is it worth the extra money? If you think hard then yes. Theextra engineering and quailty are so worth the price. For such a critical part of your kit the price is justifiable. it may be one of/the most expensive button out there but it is the best by far.

[ironmonkey]

i was in much the same position as you are, i had a DX and i wouldn't have payed for a Beiter, but i won my Beiter at BUTC, so never had to face the cost.
actually, the DX is infinitely more adjustable, as you can adjust it by a billionth of a turn if you wish, whereas with the beiter you're limited to no less than 1/10th. (as said before, these amounts of precision are wasted on us lot)
i also thought the DX was smoother, but its only subjective..

the useful things about the Beiter are that you can record the centreshot position as well as the stiffness, (there's a flat bit on the barrel and you can make sure the flat bit is in the same position, or move it be a well-defined amount)
its also easy to clean as you can take it apart easily and not lose your settings. and you get spare gubbinz for maintenance too.

its worth thinking about the new W&W button too, as its cheaper than a Beiter, but in some ways it seems better (but its HUUUGE!).

[Peter Thornton]

The Shibuya is very accurate to adjust, I have marked the back with the 12Clock positions and can then adjust it by the smallest degree of turn needed. Piece of cake, simple and sound. Also easu to keep records. Shibuya sould produce them with these calibrations on the body, making it easier to tune.

[WhitehartFB]

Originally Posted by ironmonkey

the useful things about the Beiter are that you can record the centreshot position as well as the stiffness, (there's a flat bit on the barrel and you can make sure the flat bit is in the same position, or move it be a well-defined amount)
its also easy to clean as you can take it apart easily and not lose your settings. and you get spare gubbinz for maintenance too.

(but its HUUUGE!).

You can also take the Shibuya apart to clean it without upsetting the settings and you get different springs and a spare plunger. The Beiter like all Beiter stuff is well engineered and covers all the bases but the lock down on the spring tension has never convinced me and the urge to twist and fiddle just because you can is just too much. Both come in a good range of colours.

Finally one other benefit of the Shibuya is the barrel length, it fits all bows (well all the ones I know of) where as the Beiter comes in different lengths.

[ironmonkey]

good point
any DX works on any bow, apart from mega fat ones
for a beiter, if you want to change from a stick-on to wrap-around rest or vice-versa, or change your riser, you only get about 5mm of adjustment.
you can change the nut (either 7mm or 11mm) to get an extra 4mm, or change the plunger tip length (you get 2 lengths in the box, but you can buy more), but if all that fails, you might need to buy a new one with a different barrel length..

its possible to lock down the tension adjustment quite firmly, and the Beiter button does it in a way that doesnt damage the thread on the barrel
(did anyone else get this on their DX? after a year, mine looked like it had been chewed by a dog)