Nano XR/ Pro help

[Watch_Man]

Originally Posted by timfatheroftom

chance of a bargain @ alternative sporting services if you are quick.......


"Alternative Services Statement"
It is with much regret that we have to inform our customers that we are no longer selling Carbon Express products.

Carbon Express have insisted on an illegal "price fixing" policy which would prevent us from selling at our normal low prices. We are not prepared to be party to this illegal policy and have decided to remove Carbon Express products from our product list. All remaining Carbon Express products in stock have been placed on SALE.

"Price fixing" or any other form of restrictive trading practice is illegal, not just for companies within the EU community but also for companies selling into Europe.

Carbon Express products include the Nano, CXL, and Maxima shafts, all are made in China solely for Carbon Express. We must assume that other distributors are either unaware of this policy (already charging a higher price) or are party to this illegal policy.

As "price fixing" is always bad for the consumer, you can be confident that Alternative Services will always fight any abuse of this trading regulation, whenever it is presented.

First i have heard of this !

This has confused me a little as Altservices are quoting delivery times of 4 - 12 weeks on some of the CX Nano stuff they have in their sale. They say the shafts are next day delivery but you may have to wait 3 months for them to deliver the points and nocks seems a little strange to sell off stuff you don't actually have in stock.

Also, the statement says the shafts are made in China including the Nano. This is 100% b0ll0cks as the nano is made in Korea by Soma.

Perhaps CX refused to supply altservices at such low prices that would make it uneconomical for walk in shops such as Perris and Bowsports to sell them, support them and still make a profit? Altservices are good, I use them when they have something cheap, however I would never ever buy anything from them if I expected support or advice. This is why walk in dealers have to charge a reasonable amount for what they sell.

Price fixing is not as described in the statement made by altservices. Many manufacturers will only allow discounting within certain bands. All of our suppliers have maximum discount policies and if we cut prices below those levels then they stop supplying us.

Alt claim it is bad for the customer! what is bad for the customer is if discount box shifters drive the pro archery shops out of business and beginners are left working out how to setup their new kit from the instruction book, and then finding the arrows they bought are so weak they bend as they come out of the bow.

[ASW1973]

This is 100% b0ll0cks as the nano is made in Korea by Soma.

I am not going to comment on any of the rest of this thread however the above is contra to what I have been lead to believe working in the marketing side of archery. I am led to believe that although SOMA had a great influence in the design of the arrows and worked closely with several experts in their production and evolution the arrows are made by Carbon Express and therefore they are made in China along with all the other shafts.
I can not comment on any of the other opinions and assertions made in this thread

[Watch_Man]

Originally Posted by ASW1973

This is 100% b0ll0cks as the nano is made in Korea by Soma.

I am not going to comment on any of the rest of this thread however the above is contra to what I have been lead to believe working in the marketing side of archery. I am led to believe that although SOMA had a great influence in the design of the arrows and worked closely with several experts in their production and evolution the arrows are made by Carbon Express and therefore they are made in China along with all the other shafts.
I can not comment on any of the other opinions and assertions made in this thread

Alistair I just took a couple of photographs for you I believe CX are not too happy that alt services have publicly stated that their arrows are made in China when in fact they are made in Korea.

[bimble]

I love it, "made in China" with 'Made in Korea' written on the arrow!!

Originally Posted by Watch_Man

[Watch_Man]

Originally Posted by bimble

I love it, "made in China" with 'Made in Korea' written on the arrow!!

Yep.... it inspires you with confidence that alt services who supposedly have these arrows in stock, can't be bothered to read the writing on the side of the box or on the arrows before deciding themselves which Country they are made in.

BTW Wendy's Nano XR's also have 'Made in Korea' stamped all over them as well.

[archery_mum]

Nano XR's and Pro's are made by SOMA in Korea. They are NOT made in China.

[EVC]

Originally Posted by renniks

Have a look at this thread (post 7 especially). The experience there seems to point to selecting 2 sizes less than Easton equivalents.

The last time I looked at it CX had made some changes to their selection chart. Before going to the table one had to determine the effective poundage based on several variables (e.g. string material). And differently from Easton CX uses the total arrow size, not groove to shaft end. I guess these factors lead to that two spines lower (that is, more spine) figure. I followed CX's former (at that time) directions and table. It turned out the arrows were slightly weak just because I chose the weakest spine for the effective poundage. Still I think it is fairly safe to follow CX's table (with the needed corrections) to chose the shaft (as much as Easton's).



Elder.

[moo-mop]

I know nothing about competition law other than from levi's vs Tesco in 2001, which fell on levi's side re distributors.

However, I also know if you try and find a dealer for these arrows from carbon express's website it only gives you the option of 'platinum dealers' ie ones that only stock their brand (but you can only use this if you're in the US anyhow).

[Watch_Man]

Originally Posted by moo-mop

I know nothing about competition law other than from levi's vs Tesco in 2001, which fell on levi's side re distributors.

However, I also know if you try and find a dealer for these arrows from carbon express's website it only gives you the option of 'platinum dealers' ie ones that only stock their brand (but you can only use this if you're in the US anyhow).

As does Easton - Easton Archery | Dealers it only lists dealers in the USA for their arrows. Neither CarbonTech (McKinney II) Nor Doosung (Triples) list UK dealers on their websites either.

Nano's are not sold exclusively through Platinum dealers (Lancaster archery being a prime example).

In the UK we have Perris, Bowsports and the Archery Company selling nano's.

[moo-mop]

Originally Posted by Watch_Man

As does Easton - Easton Archery | Dealers it only lists dealers in the USA for their arrows.

Yes both restricted to US dealers but are they both restricted to US dealers that only stock their brand arrows ie "specializes exclusively in Carbon Express® arrows". Lancaster are on Easton's selector and they do both.