Arrows gone stiff overnight !?!?

[clickerati]

Originally Posted by Cimbian

So are you telling me to wait a while and they will be back to normal then?

wait 24 hours and see what happens

meanwhile, enjoy it while it lasts!

[Cimbian]

Originally Posted by ASW1973

no such thing as a button set too light (as long as the clicker does not move it)
if there are no other variables then you are torquing/not torqueing the bow compared to before. this will give you achange in bare shaft and paper tune (although i cant work out why anyone would paper tune a recurve, compound yes but recurve no.

I am not shooting the bow I am observing and I honestly believe that the archer is not torquing the bow as it is my son and I've been watching him shoot for four years now.

The symptom is consistent and repeatable and the adjustments made so far indicate that the arrows are stiff so I truly believe I am looking at an equipment issue... I just can't work it out.

As for the paper tune, I used to think the same way but I do feel that with a good archer coupled with patience and an understanding of what is going on improvements can be made. It certainly provides an indication of what is happening, but as I say it does require a very consistent archer. That said, I am looking for a solution to a problem that is vexing me and not looking to open a debate on the pros and cons of paper tuning.

[hooktonboy]

Originally Posted by ASW1973

if there are no other variables then you are torquing/not torqueing the bow compared to before.

Hot weather, sweaty hands......? Heat exhaustion of archer.....

(lets not add these symptoms to the Viagra, though!! Good one Clicki)

Seem to remember someone on this forum spotting this effect as the first symptom of an impending limb failure......

[ASW1973]

but if nothing has moved on the bow then ockhams razor states that it must be the most likely thing that is the cause and that is a change in torque. There is nothing that can cause what you have described by a change in kit (unless you are using another tab from the original test) nothing can break or move on the bow to cause this that is not blatantly obvious. So it is torque due to hand position or alignement.

P.S. there is nothing a paper tune can bring to the recurve party

[worthipa]

Originally Posted by Cimbian

After a tuning session a couple of days ago when all was well I re-fletched his arrows using exactly the same type (FlexFletch low-profile), same fletching jig and same offset angle (none). Now the arrows are coming up very stiff.

Were the fletches put back in the same place?

[Cimbian]

Seriously, the only change is in the fletchings. I shoot two blue one yellow and he shoots red white blue.

I am wondering about the DX button now, though, as it did have a several dustings of foot powder during the first session that may have ingressed as we had a clearance problem on the Beiter rest that took a while to resolve... seems unlikely though as it does seem to move freely.

I know you've pointed at the archer, ASW, and can understand why and I appreciate the response but I am convinced it is not where the problem lies. As I said, I know his form intimately and it was one of the first areas I looked at.

[Cimbian]

Originally Posted by worthipa

Were the fletches put back in the same place?

Almost.

When they were originally fletched I had to use G-nocks as I didn't have the little Beiter nock adaptor. I then swapped the nocks to Beiter before shooting and aligned them manually.

When I fletched this time I had the adaptor and so had to use a different mark on the jig to allow for the extra length (as well as hacksawing a lump out of the clamp), but I guess I am within a mm or two, nock to the one-that-is-not-a-hen-fletching alignment is as per the jig. (damn this censorship!)

[worthipa]

You mean C0CK?

That could be the problem, try shooting (say) three bareshaft and see where that gets you, you might need to do a bit of nock tuning.

[Cimbian]

Thanks for the suggestions people.

If the phone doesn't ring too much tomorrow I will have all day at work to think this through then it is into the garden, a mug of tea and try again.

[King Custard]

the answer is simple (ha-ha), if indeed we assume weather conditions the same, that equipment is as per the tune and archer executing with exactly the same form...(which is TBH a big 'assume' )
Questions:

what distances did you tune at - and what are you/he shooting at now?

when did you tune - and when did you find the arrows stiff- what were the lighting conditions in both cases in particular?

where does your lad line up the bowstring.?