Triple Spine Question

[ZolcsiBB]

I'm about to order a bunch of (6-8) Triples.

I draw 26,5" to the plunger, 36# on the fingers, so 28" arrows would be ok, right? I haven't fiddle too much around tuning so far... just set tiller 0, BH 23,5cm, and the nocking point with bare shaft with a medium crawl at 15m.
I shoot 29,5" 100gr Redlines now, and the bare shafts go to the right. Yeah, they should be OK, but long for me. I don't want to cut them any shorter, because my father will shoot them as I get the Triples.

I have read, that Triples are measured in a different way.

Which spine should I get? (I'd like the 110gr points in them)

[speed]

Originally Posted by ZolcsiBB

I'm about to order a bunch of (6-8) Triples.

I draw 26,5" to the plunger, 36# on the fingers, so 28" arrows would be ok, right? I haven't fiddle too much around tuning so far... just set tiller 0, BH 23,5cm, and the nocking point with bare shaft with a medium crawl at 15m.
I shoot 29,5" 100gr Redlines now, and the bare shafts go to the right. Yeah, they should be OK, but long for me. I don't want to cut them any shorter, because my father will shoot them as I get the Triples.

I have read, that Triples are measured in a different way.

Which spine should I get? (I'd like the 110gr points in them)

From Cartels own info

at 28" you should go for 700 spine but you are right on the line between them and 800 spine

If you opt for a 27.5" arrow then the 800 spine

BUT there is nothing like trying them first if no local retailer close to you sells them if postage is not too steep buy 3 of each play around and see which work best for your setup and shooting style, at least that way you only loose£40-£50 not £100 plus if you choose the wrong ones.
You could then probably sell the other 3 to someone else who wants to try them

Good luck there are a few of us here who use triples and they are a great arrow for the money and hopefully some of the others will help you as well.

Shame you are in Hungary as you could have tried my old 800 spine, I now use 600 due to increase in poundage.
The 800's worked great for me upto nearly 40lb at 28" but lost stability very quickly above that poundage but then my shooting style will probably be different than yours and that as I said can affect the spine as well.

[ZolcsiBB]

Thanks for the help!

Yeah, shame I'm in Hungary, no local shops (just bowhunting stuff and historical bows), and no other archers near shooting this type (just one guy with 30" 600s).

I usually collect all the needs and money from my friends, and order from foreign shops: Alternative, VBS, Arco&Frecce and now Bowsports...
Then we share the delivery cost.

I have to say, this isn't a common opportunity, and I must have 6 from the same spine, as I don't want to shoot with just 3 or 4 arrows on a competition (I go to FITA Field).

So it's a hard question, 700 or 800.

I think I will buy 700s, and try to tune them as correctly as possible. Maybe it's better to leave them a bit longer, than correct lenght but weak spine, isn't it?

[speed]

Originally Posted by ZolcsiBB

Thanks for the help!

Yeah, shame I'm in Hungary, no local shops (just bowhunting stuff and historical bows), and no other archers near shooting this type (just one guy with 30" 600s).

I usually collect all the needs and money from my friends, and order from foreign shops: Alternative, VBS, Arco&Frecce and now Bowsports...
Then we share the delivery cost.

I have to say, this isn't a common opportunity, and I must have 6 from the same spine, as I don't want to shoot with just 3 or 4 arrows on a competition (I go to FITA Field).

So it's a hard question, 700 or 800.

I think I will buy 700s, and try to tune them as correctly as possible. Maybe it's better to leave them a bit longer, than correct lenght but weak spine, isn't it?

It may be best for you to buy them full length and slowly trim them down till they tune well ( may be worth buying one or two spare shafts for this reason) Also try OB on this site for Knock pins as the last thing you need will be to smash the back end of an arrow when ordering is so difficult.
Again hopefully someone else will give you some input but if you are ordering I would suggest Bowsports and phone/ or email them asking thier advise and recommendations.

[Tom]

There are *lots* of threads about Triples and spines on AIUK if you search for them. This may also be of use: http://www.archery-interchange.com/f...l_Triple_Arrow

[cornish george]

Shame you didnt order them a week ago, during the Cartel Classic Alt Services were selling them with a 10% discount, so i bought a dozen.

[ZolcsiBB]

Thanks! I noticed something:

"The spine of the Triple is worked out by supporting the shaft at points 500mm apart and measuring the weight required to deflect the shaft by 20mm"

This may be incorrect: As the chart shows, for a stronger bow (so stiffer shaft) you need smaller number on the shaft. So smaller number = stiffer shaft. But a stiffer shaft needs more weight to deflect the same way.

The measurements made by various archers tell the same.

Speed! You are right about pin nocks. What about pin G nocks? I love the G nocks I have in the Redlines... Are OB and "Arrowsmith Components" the same company?

What about the points?

[ZolcsiBB]

Originally Posted by cornish george

Shame you didnt order them a week ago, during the Cartel Classic Alt Services were selling them with a 10% discount, so i bought a dozen.

I didn't have the money then. Now I have it, but waiting for a friend. He will order a whole recurve bow. (Changing his Yamaha Alpha EX to SF + Winex)

[Tom]

Originally Posted by ZolcsiBB

Thanks! I noticed something:

"The spine of the Triple is worked out by supporting the shaft at points 500mm apart and measuring the weight required to deflect the shaft by 20mm"

This may be incorrect: As the chart shows, for a stronger bow (so stiffer shaft) you need smaller number on the shaft. So smaller number = stiffer shaft. But a stiffer shaft needs more weight to deflect the same way.

Yep, it's a bit weird. That is apparently the way Cartel work out the spine of their arrows. However, the number marked on the side of the arrow is not the spine rating as worked out using either their method or Easton's. Confusing isn't it?

[speed]

Originally Posted by ZolcsiBB

Thanks! I noticed something:

"The spine of the Triple is worked out by supporting the shaft at points 500mm apart and measuring the weight required to deflect the shaft by 20mm"

This may be incorrect: As the chart shows, for a stronger bow (so stiffer shaft) you need smaller number on the shaft. So smaller number = stiffer shaft. But a stiffer shaft needs more weight to deflect the same way.

The measurements made by various archers tell the same.

Speed! You are right about pin nocks. What about pin G nocks? I love the G nocks I have in the Redlines... Are OB and "Arrowsmith Components" the same company?

What about the points?

Ob is Arrowsmith and his pins are rated the best for the triple shaft.
I would recommend the Easton pin nocks even though they are more expensive. The G nock will not fit a shaft with a pin so they are rulled out.