Just got my first bow - Let me know what you think....

[kinkychinky]

Just purchased my first bow (all from new). Tell me what you think of this spec....

Samick Agulla riser
Hoyt Epic limbs @ 32lbs
Fast Flight 18 strand bow string
Set of 8 XX75 Platinum Plus 1816
Arten Summit II sight

[kinkychinky]

Also, are the limbs suppose to rattle in the riser (without the bow string fitted).

I shot the bow quite a few times before I bought it, but it was set up by the shop. Since it was all under tension I never took much notice and I don't recall them unbolting the limbs when taking it apart.

Thanks.

[TJ Mason]

Don't worry, the limbs should rattle when the bow is unstrung. They have what are known as "international" limb fittings (ILF), and they just slot in without any need to be bolted down.

Have a look at the Hoyt recurve manual for info about this type of limb fitting:
http://www.hoyt.com/technical/bowmanuals.tpl

That's a very decent setup. You might struggle at long distances because of the low limb poundage and the aluminium arrows, but you can certainly shoot 60 yards with that. And it's ideal for indoors. It should do you for about a year, after which you might want to move to stronger limbs and carbon arrows. You'll be able to get new limbs to fit without having to change the riser.

[celticjedi]

On a similar vein, I've got a W+W Evolution 34# and XX75's @2016. Is it worth getting better arrows, or should I wait until I upgrade my bow? Also can anyone recommend a good stabiliser setup? Should I get both rod and bars at the same time? A lot of people seem to use the Beiter ones with the moveable weights, are they a pain to setup?

[Dave]

celticjedi - 12/8/2005 1:33 PM On a similar vein, I've got a W+W Evolution 34# and XX75's @2016. Is it worth getting better arrows, or should I wait until I upgrade my bow? Also can anyone recommend a good stabiliser setup? Should I get both rod and bars at the same time? A lot of people seem to use the Beiter ones with the moveable weights, are they a pain to setup?

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I shot my Evolution (34#) with 1816 Platinums for around 8 months before switching to ACCs. I did notice that my groupings were a lot better with the ACCs#- but how much of that was down to getting better at shooting I don't know. However, they certainly improved my sight marks at longer distances.</p>

[Barry C]

celticjedi - 12/8/2005 1:33 PM On a similar vein, I've got a W+W Evolution 34# and XX75's @2016. Is it worth getting better arrows, or should I wait until I upgrade my bow? Also can anyone recommend a good stabiliser setup? Should I get both rod and bars at the same time? A lot of people seem to use the Beiter ones with the moveable weights, are they a pain to setup?

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XX75 are very good arrows and I believe hold one indoor world record. Outdoors they are not so great because they are heavier and fatter. Many 1300+ scores have been shot with allows but the draw weight was well over 50 pounds for those guys. Unless you can shoot well better arrows wont really give you anything except extra distance. WHat are your scores at the moment?</p>

People move the beiter weights but its not really reccomended, Beiter have done a lot of research and unless you feel you know better its usually best to leave them. Most stabilisers are good enough. Some of the Chinese taipei team in Athens shot basic cartel arrangements and they got very far.</p>

A general setup for club archers is a 4 inch extended, flat 90 degree vbar, 8-10 inch twin rods and a 26-30 inch long rod. As you get over 40 pounds a 5 inch extender may be better. Alternatively if you prefer no extender as is the trend is eastern europe they use a 8-10 inch short rod to the top riser bushing to get the balance back forwards.</p>

Some archers use just a longrod and a back weight, popular with some americans. Personally I would prefer the first setup. It looks better and is chosen by 'most' of the best archers.</p>

I dont think a Beiter setup will shoot any better than a Cartel, it will just feel a little different and maybe not look as good. A Cartel is good for 1300 and thats miles better than most of us </p>

[radsbow]

Barry C - 12/8/2005 2:16 PM

#As you get over 40 pounds a 5 inch extender may be better. </p>

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What's the reasoning for moving to a 5&quot; extender when shooting over 40#? Am curious as I shoot 44# with a 4&quot; extender. Is it just the norm,# better balance or something?</p>

[Shirt]

Pretty much. The heavier the bow, the further back the balance will naturally be, and thus the further forward you want the weight at rest in order to make it feel nice at full draw. Generally a longer extender is good, or just whack a load of weights on the end of the longrod (although this can make the bow vibrate a fair bit if there's too much weight or the longrod is too weak for the amount of weight.)

[joetapley]

As Shirt said for 'balance' the higher the draw weight the further forward the bow centre of gravity needs to be (i.e. longer extender)
Similar relationship applies to arrow draw length.
To quote Vittorio Frangilli:

Making it very simple:
>28" draw : add 3" extender (total 6")
>27" drw : add 2" extender (total 5")

Combine high draw weight and longish arrows and you end up with a 7" extender - ouch!

[MrT]

joetapley - 13/8/2005 9:37 PM

Combine high draw weight and longish arrows and you end up with a 7" extender - ouch!

On the other hand, combine high draw weight and shortish arrows, and you could end up like this:

http://www.texasarchery.org/images/Overdraw/dangers.htm

Now that really does bring tears to the eyes... think how much those arrows cost... ;-)

Kev