Men's rounds vs women's.....

[Little Miss Purple]

I am vertically challenged! and have 28# on my fingers - I shoot reasonably well at 80 yards, though my arrows do spend a fair time in the air! The more I practice the better I become - if I channelled my efforts into 100 yards, I'm sure the same would be achieved!

[tel]

Originally Posted by Little Miss Purple

.....if I channelled my efforts into 100 yards, I'm sure the same would be achieved!

Which is precisely what I'm getting at - put the effort in, get the recognition...regardless of gender.

OK Women do shoot less distance for the same rounds. OK that's fine by me. What I don't understand is that on average men will still put in a highter Fita/York score than the women, and what is more put in a higher score indoors too. Power and distace plays little part in it. Why is is this? The tournament prize givings are a split prize giving. We don't compete on the same level anyway. In theory women should be blowing away the mens scores on a fita, especially at the 50 and 30m distances. This does not seem to be the case.

[Little Miss Purple]

In theory women should be blowing away the mens scores on a fita, especially at the 50 and 30m distances.

I was going to as why.... but is this because women shoot the shorter distance normally??

My answer would be that no matter what the distance, my arrow will have to work a fair bit to get to the target as it is small, light and there is only 28lb behind it!! In general, men' arrows are heavier, faster and have a straighter projectile from the bow

[Max]

Originally Posted by Little Miss Purple

I was going to as why.... but is this because women shoot the shorter distance normally??

My answer would be that no matter what the distance, my arrow will have to work a fair bit to get to the target as it is small, light and there is only 28lb behind it!! In general, men' arrows are heavier, faster and have a straighter projectile from the bow

I can totally agree that lighter bows for any given distance (particularly outdoors) will tend to deliver lower scores, simply because of the lighter arrow and longer flight time place an archer at a disadvantage in the wind. However, RGS does raise an interesting point about indoor scores for ladies, especially compound scores where there should in theory be no difference between lady and gents scores. The trend (not always evident with some of the top lady shooters, I hasten to add) is for the ladies to shoot lower scores than the gents. I never could quite figure out why.

I don't go for any of that sexist claptrap regarding attitude, ability or testosterone fuelled agression, so there must be some other form physical advantage that is at play here. Could it be that having larger muscle goups and generally higher body mass allows a more stable launch platform? I would generally like to understand the differences.

[morphymick]

So, is LMP a better archer than me, or am I worse than her?

Mick

Originally Posted by Max

I can totally agree that lighter bows for any given distance (particularly outdoors) will tend to deliver lower scores, simply because of the lighter arrow and longer flight time place an archer at a disadvantage in the wind. However, RGS does raise an interesting point about indoor scores for ladies, especially compound scores where there should in theory be no difference between lady and gents scores. The trend (not always evident with some of the top lady shooters, I hasten to add) is for the ladies to shoot lower scores than the gents. I never could quite figure out why.

I don't go for any of that sexist claptrap regarding attitude, ability or testosterone fuelled agression, so there must be some other form physical advantage that is at play here. Could it be that having larger muscle goups and generally higher body mass allows a more stable launch platform? I would generally like to understand the differences.

That's what I mean to say, just put in a much better way...cheers Max.

[Rik]

Originally Posted by Max

...However, RGS does raise an interesting point about indoor scores for ladies, especially compound scores where there should in theory be no difference between lady and gents scores. The trend (not always evident with some of the top lady shooters, I hasten to add) is for the ladies to shoot lower scores than the gents. I never could quite figure out why.

I've usually assumed it's a statistical quirk, due to the smaller number of women shooting, overall. Less women in the shooting population, greater proportion of them shooting in competition, so the average score is lower... Or something like that. I'd note that the best women shoot on a par with (or better than) the best men, which tends to support the idea that it's not something fundamental about ability...

[Little Miss Purple]

It can't be down to shape or size!!

[joetapley]

The distance separation is to some extent historic when with slow arrows only men were seen as having enough draw weight for the longer distance. No longer true and women can compete with (and often beat) the men at longer distances.

There is little logic in restricting higher classifications to the longer distances assuming the threshold values are correct. The only distance variable is wind which shouldn't really be factored in.

GNAS ignore imperial rounds for selection purposes probably because of the extra paperwork involved.

Higher arrow speed is an advantage (both indoors and outdoors), see attached graph, so someone with a higher draw weight will have an advantage over someone with a lower draw weight. As men are presumably statistically stronger they do have an advantage - hence statistically the should have higher scores at all distances.