Newbie: Is it worth using stiffer arrows?

[Furface]

If you start thinking about the geometry of aiming, then you will see the angles are so tight it is a miracle anyone ever hits the target.
As for witchcraft, you probably have several members of your club dating from the sixties, early seventies - or had some who left an indelible mark. When I started back then, clickers were just about acceptable but with suspicion, long rods were the sign of a professional, v-bars were the preserve of geeks who ranted about physics - and compound bows were only used by cheats, and should be banned and anyone who touched them thrown out of the sport.
Me, I still can't get the hang of a clicker ! (Don't use v-bars, and wouldn't touch a compound!) But I can still hit the target at 20 yards.

[Gold Flinger]

Mr. Tapley probably has some data. . I've recently increased my draw length (moved clicker backwards) and it certainly moved my sightmarks quite a bit.
When you think of the variables we use to tune - brace height, arrow length, number of string stands etc - 5mm difference in draw can make a helluva difference, not only to the actual sightmark, but also the spine of the arrow. .

[joetapley]

Mr. Tapley - who he? me Joe.

I think, for an average male archer, you would need to move a clicker a bit more than 10mm at 90 metres to go from a 10 to a miss (about 5 fps speed difference). IMO main use of a clicker is to improve the archers' control of the shot rather than to nail down a fixed draw length - lots of archers with good technique do well enough without using a clicker.

As mentioned differences of opinion on when to introduce a clicker. My own view is that you should start teaching beginners good technique from square one rather than the usual 'stick a bow in their hands and get them shooting any old how' (understandable as you're trying to kindle some interest). I don't think it would put beginners off by going through the basics for half an hour or so before they start shooting arows - and the improved results probably pay off in terms of generated enthusiasm. So I would go for using a clicker as soon as the archers' technique makes it feasible.

As for things like using a V bar. Very few archers or coaches understand anything about their function so no useful advice forthcoming - more a case of 'get one because most people use one' . I'd agree with Furface that unless you understand the purpose and see some benefit from sticking smething on the bow, don't bother.

[Barry C]

Talking about clickers... I have been experimentng with slightly different draw lengths, a movement of 3-4mm of my clicker moves my arrows up and down, @70m by 3 scoring rings.#I can well see a 10mm movement as Joe said causing a miss @90m.#

[Gold Flinger]

Thanks for clearing that up Joe

[slartibartfast]

Kinkychinky, to go back to your arrow problem, there are plenty of second hand arrows out there. I have just sold a set of ACCs and have sets of McKinny's ACCs and some xx75s and i am sure many people are the same.
Over on the saggi blackboard they have a "small market" section where you can buy and sell stuff, it might be worth asking the question "has anybody got"...
Hope this helps.

[MrT]

Furface - 14/6/2005 10:37 AM
As for witchcraft, you probably have several members of your club dating from the sixties, early seventies - or had some who left an indelible mark. When I started back then, clickers were just about acceptable but with suspicion, long rods were the sign of a professional, v-bars were the preserve of geeks who ranted about physics - and compound bows were only used by cheats, and should be banned and anyone who touched them thrown out of the sport.

Heh, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head, I can think of a number of people that fit that description :-) I guess I'll get my arrows shortened enough to use the clicker, then (it's sitting unused on the riser just in case ) ;-)

[MrT]

Barry C

Talking about clickers... I have been experimentng with slightly different draw lengths, a movement of 3-4mm of my clicker moves my arrows up and down, @70m by 3 scoring rings. I can well see a 10mm movement as Joe said causing a miss @90m.

Hmm, now that is quite some varience - thanks for the info Barry, I'm even more convinced that a clicker is a requirement now.

[kinkychinky]

Thanks for the tip Slartibartfast. Unfortunately I have already forked out for some brand new Navigators. I'm hoping these will last me for a while.

As for the clicker. I definately can't get to grips with it. It could be a case of changing too much in one go as I have now upped the poundage with a new set of limbs and am using using different arrows. Will try again when I settle into my new set up.

[Armchair Archer]

slartibartfast - 14/6/2005 4:39 PM# Over on the saggi blackboard they have a "small market" section where you can buy and sell stuff, it might be worth asking the question "has anybody got"... Hope this helps.

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Maybe Dave could set up something similar on AI ????</p>

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