Archer and not the kit.

[Jerry Tee]

I am thinking of trying out the old adage 'It's the archer and not the kit that counts'. To that end I am looking for a cheap basic bow around 36 to 38 lbs @ 28. Anything will be considered.

[geoffretired]

Can the Oneida allow you to try out the adage? I would have thought it could. When the arrows go in the middle;that's down to the archer. when they are all spread about;that's down to the bow
operator.

[Jerry Tee]

I was shooting a FITA 900 the other day and when I asked the scorer who was up at the end of the shoot I was told that I had scored best and then came the qualifier 'but your shooting compond' and when I point out that I am using a tab, but its still a compound. The difference between the holding weight of a compound and a light weight recurve is not that much so hence the question is the compound helping me that much? And how to prove it?

[Marcus26]

Sorry Jerry, I think there is still a difference. You may be able to shoot well with a recurve, but there are structural differences and also preformance differences between the 2 setups that will always give one an edge ovr the other.
The key point is in the valley. A compounder can use their clicker poorly and still score well because the draw weight and nock travel will be resistant to draw length variations. A recurve archer must use their clicker well to score well, even a mm will cause them to miss the 10.

Compound finger shooters should not compare themselves to recurve archers, rather to compound release shooters. They will rarely win, but they are the closest in equipment.

[Jerry Tee]

I agree Marcus, but I do feel the difference between shooting compound off fingers and recurve is not proportional to the attitude that I some times come across. It has been mentioned here before the 'compound is cheating' , not amoungst multi style archers.I managed to quieten it down a bit this winter when I shoot a bare bow portsmouth with a starter recurve and scored 500 but it is still there. I would like people to look at the rig I shoot and get an accurate idea of the advantage I have with it rather than just dismiss what I shoot and the way I shoot as 'just compound'. Other compound archers do understand the differences and the extra difficulty in the style I shoot.

[Marcus26]

Yeah I see what you mean, however I do fear there is little we can do to convince the tools of the world.
Should be good fun anyway, good luck.

[Kae]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tee

I am thinking of trying out the old adage 'It's the archer and not the kit that counts'. To that end I am looking for a cheap basic bow around 36 to 38 lbs @ 28. Anything will be considered.

I always blame myself, then found out one day it was the Kit!
My riser had cracked through the top, hey ho. lol.

[geoffretired]

Jerry, I think I see what you are getting at.You shoot with your fingers, like a recurve archer, with a bow that is not very different. When you do well, some recurve archers say it's down to the compound rather than your skill with a bow. (Did I get that right?) So you are thinking of getting a recurve to see who's right. If I've got the wrong end of the stick, just pretend I didn't write this. If I've understood correctly I would only buy the recurve IF you were interested in knowing the answer. If it's to show THEM , I would leave then guessing.

[Jerry Tee]

That's right Geoff and I am interested in finding out my self.

[Kae]

Shoot me, but;

I do think it is easier to shoot a compound well, but badly, if you get my drift.........
Certain things that are crucial in recurve archery aren't as big a problem with a compound (even if it is shot off the fingers).

However much I take the mick out of "training wheels", I don't believe they are easier to shoot at a top level, just that it is easier to be better than a bad recurver.

ie, when comparing a bad compounder and bad recurver, the compounder would score higher.

I know this is in swings 'n' roundabouts, I just hope you can get what I roughly mean, lol.

I'm not applying this to you Jerry, its just the easiest way of explaining it!