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Old 17-08-06, 10:16 AM
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Oh man don't depress me, I have been wearing glasses since I was 7 and I did have an eye check-up about 4 months ago so I am hoping its nothing like that. I would be more inclined to think it was me if the arrows were going all over the place, but as it was, it would have been very tight grouping if the height had been constant.
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Old 17-08-06, 11:03 AM
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What sort of arrow rest are you using? The only time something like this has happened to me, it was the 'finger' on the Beiter rest giving way. I've seen other rests collapse similarly, but the break-and-fall-off event seems to happen sooner (less 'wtf' time before it goes altogether).
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Old 17-08-06, 12:31 PM
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I am using the stylist rest, they have there own one which is built into the design on the riser. It has a little magnet in it, I have checked all that, does seem to be ok but then again I could be missing some obvious.
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Old 17-08-06, 12:54 PM
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I am using the stylist rest, they have there own one which is built into the design on the riser. It has a little magnet in it, I have checked all that, does seem to be ok but then again I could be missing some obvious.
Did you try changing to a different string? I assume you checked the nocking point was at the correct height when you checked the bracing height. If the serving is a bit loose the nocking point could be migrating upwards?
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Old 17-08-06, 12:56 PM
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Bow String: Brownell Excel
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Did you try changing to a different string? I assume you checked the nocking point was at the correct height when you checked the bracing height. If the serving is a bit loose the nocking point could be migrating upwards?
Yeah I was checking both, cause the string is recently new (shot about 1500 arrows from it) I thought it could be that, but both nocking and bracing height are smack on. The nocking points are cotton with superglue so there is no chance they are gonna be moving.
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Old 17-08-06, 01:43 PM
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If you shoot several ends, without adjusting the sight, does the group continue to fall, starting from where the previous end left off? Or is there some recovery during the period between ends? If there is some recovery that would seem to point towards string failure or limb failure, rather than something moving. Try a different string. That will tell you something.
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Old 17-08-06, 02:08 PM
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Riser: Hoyt Nexus
Limbs: W&W Inno Power
Sight: Sure Lock Quest-X
Stabilisers: Easton ACE
Button: Beiter Original
Bow String: Brownell Excel
Arrows: Easton x10

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If you shoot several ends, without adjusting the sight, does the group continue to fall, starting from where the previous end left off? Or is there some recovery during the period between ends? If there is some recovery that would seem to point towards string failure or limb failure, rather than something moving. Try a different string. That will tell you something.
There is a little recovery but not to what it was at the start of the previous end. If the string was failing wouldn't the bracing height and nocking point be changing to?
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Old 17-08-06, 02:28 PM
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I don't know for certain, but I have found in the past that strings can fail inside and cause odd arrow flight. Sometimes they break soon afterwards.
When they fail, I think it is possible for them to stretch during the time of the six arrows, then they recover most of their length in the rest period. Bracing height is not terribly easy to measure accurately, small changes can go undetected. Did you measure before shooting the first arrow and again at the end of that six? If there is a change, that's when it will be noticed. Sometimes string failure shows as a twist(like an over stretched spring) appearing under the servings at the ends or centre serving.
Another thought. Did you say this was a new string? You said you checked the brace height at the end-did you check it at the start?
It couldn't be something like adjustable limbs coming loose and moving to their low weight setting, could it?(I don't know the Stylist)
I am curious to know whether this continues to happen next time you shoot, if you don't solve it before then, that is.
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Old 17-08-06, 02:56 PM
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Riser: Hoyt Nexus
Limbs: W&W Inno Power
Sight: Sure Lock Quest-X
Stabilisers: Easton ACE
Button: Beiter Original
Bow String: Brownell Excel
Arrows: Easton x10

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Stylists have bolt on limbs, you have to tighten then with a spanner so I know they are not loose. Again with everything else, if nothing else can be said for them, the build quality is top notch.

But point taken on the string, I got Greg Hill to make it for me cause I was informed he is one of the better string makers in the country (I didn't wanted any excuses of poor equipment). I have a second string of his that I have not shot in yet, maybe I will try that.

The only other thing I can think of is that the 500 or so arrows I shot on Saturday has taken its toll, but then the bow has shot 1000s of arrows, so why play up now.
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Old 17-08-06, 03:06 PM
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[quote=NoAngel
The only other thing I can think of is that the 500 or so arrows I shot on Saturday has taken its toll, but then the bow has shot 1000s of arrows, so why play up now.[/quote]

Of course that may be the simple explanation. Tiredness

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http://www.alansarchery.pwp.blueyond.../TuneFrame.htm
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