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Old 17-09-06, 03:38 AM
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Time to get some outdoor arrows...

(its about arrows, ran searches but couldnt find anything - or rather so much I couldnt find an answer - I KNOW something similar is bound to be asked before but couldnt locate it - and the net gets all a little technical and my brain starts hurting)

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Ok now call me strange as I know the indoor season is about to start but...

I have been shooting my X7's as my outdoor arrows and before that ancient arrows on loan from the club house. My X7's have served me well and fly far more true than the loaners - and I will certainly be taking them indoors as my linecutters

But in my last shooting session I thought I would have a go at 80yrds as 60yrds was all good - I had never tried to hit 80 before so was a bit apprehensive.
Miss miss miss miss...you get the idea.

So I moved my sight to the bottom and wound it all the way in and again...miss miss miss...yaaawwn (de ja vu) miss etc
All 6 neatly in a clump just about 3 inches short of the target!

So I want some new arrows ... containing the magic ingredient of carbon - I dont think (could be wrong) that my sight can reverse (the cheaper option)due to the shape of the vertical bar - and to be honest...I just want some new arrows!!!!


So my question (finally - thanks for bearing with me) which arrows would you suggest I get?
Was thinking ACCs as they look like a decent mid range arrow. Is there any reason to spend that 50-70 more to get say Navigators? I am sure a 'good' archer or certainly and experienced archer would notice the difference - but as I have been on alloy from the start - would *I* notice any difference?

I hear fantastic things on the forums on virtually every type of arrow which is making arrow choice harder than I thought.

I ask as what I dont want to do is spend £130 on a dozen arrows only to wish in a few months I had bought something different.

Is it swings and roundabouts or are there really noticeable differences?
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Old 17-09-06, 07:52 AM
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I think ACCs would suit you down to the ground - err well not the ground, the gold!

It may be a good idea to purchase a second pressure button at the same time - one for your X7s (you already have), the other for the ACCs.

Different diameters require different pressure button settings - although hopefully the spring pressure itself may well be unchanged.

I have seen some fine archers shooting with ACCs and winning competitions with them. Many people think and talk about the extremes of archery and want to squeeze the pips out of their equipment, the ACCs don't need to be squeezed they will always perform well in just about every condition you can think of, they are robust and will get you to 100 yds without complaint.

Go for it.
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Old 17-09-06, 07:54 AM
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I had the exact same thing with my X7s - 80yds was a bridge to far. I went to ACCs from there, and then Triples which I'm still shooting with and prefer to the ACCS.
Rather than go over all the whys and wherefors here, chuck Triple (or Cartel Triple) into the search box rather than 'arrow'. You'll have more than enough to read through!

Good luck

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Old 17-09-06, 08:14 AM
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The other thing to consider is it the very end of outdoor season, we're about to move indoor for the winter, do you need expensive outdoor arrows now (triples/ACC's are still expensive), or is it worth waiting til the workup for next outdoor season. Remembering that if your drawlength /poundage/limbs are changed over the indoor season you'll likely need new arrows again when you go outside.

(Just my penny's worth, I understand from your post that you do want carbons )
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Old 17-09-06, 05:46 PM
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Riser: Black Winact,Jager grip
Limbs: Winex 42#
Sight: Copperjohn with G505
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I started with X7's, still hold my pb's for indoor. Found problems over 60 yds outdoors. Went to Navigators. Dead happy. Just got highest score in todays club handicap came 2nd on handicap. The winner got 227 points less than me and shoots ACC's.
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Old 17-09-06, 06:36 PM
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I wouldn't advise buying a new set of arrows when the indoor season is literally just beginning.
Stick with your X7's for now, improve your shooting indoors, then buy some new arrows next year.

Unles of course your going to continue shooting long distances during the winter, then you should buy some!
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Old 17-09-06, 08:07 PM
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Use the X7's indoors. Add a bit of weight to the points and stick on some big fletches and you have a purpose built set of indoor arrows. Come the spring invest in a set of carbon/alloys. You may be able to pick up a bargain on ebay.
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Old 17-09-06, 09:38 PM
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Another vote for wait til next year.
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Old 18-09-06, 12:12 AM
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Cheers for the advice all - all makes perfect sense

Never shot indoors before - well its only been about 3-4 months since my beginners course! hahaha is that all ?? WOW - this must be addictive, it plagues my every thought!

You have all been the voice of reason so I will follow the advice - besides 60 yrds will be fine to shoot throughout the winter (less walking up and down the, now, freezing field!!)

I have just been doing Short Nationals up until now which currently 3rd class.
Did my first National today and got a comfortable 2nd class score - 454 - which I am chuffed to bits about

Hopefully I can grab 2 more before season ends and we all head indoors so I can get a new sticker on the 'handicap board', not to mention a badge for my quiver!!

Thanks again for the replies

Happy shooting
Jaarus
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Old 19-09-06, 09:19 AM
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not to take anything away from all the sound advice given so far but if you can get a copy of THE HERETIC ARCHER book by vittorio and michele frangilli there is a whole chapter dedicated to aluminum vs carbon arrows...very interesting and educational....
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