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Old 22-02-06, 01:46 PM
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Riser: Bernadini Luxor
Limbs: Border gold TX
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Stabilisers: Merlin
Button: Beiter
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I've been shooting a Fiberbow for a little over three months now and I rearly like it. The bare riser weighs around 1 1/4 lb. (as far as I know it's the lightest riser on the market) Must say that the low weight takes a bit of getting used to, but once you do I'ts a joy to shoot. Can't wait to try it out in outdoor competition.
By the way, Got mine online from Arco & Frecce (Italy) Price was 570 euro +24 shipping.
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Old 31-03-06, 09:42 AM
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Riser: FiberBow 5.99
Limbs: Fiberbow 5.99
Sight: Shibuya Ultima Carbo
Stabilisers: FiberBow S.3
Button: Baiter
Bow String: BCY 8125 yellow
Arrows: Easton ACE 530

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Hello to all, I apologyze for my awful English, but I promise that I will improve.
I am Giuseppe Reverzani, producer of FiberBow 5.99 and with casuality I have found your forum.
I Thanks all for the attention that dedicated, and wants gives to you some news.
More than 500 FiberBow sold in 4 months, 25 retailers in the world, a new web site, the ready left version between 90 days, an Junior European record indoor 25+18 , 2 team gold to Italian championship indoor, 1 team silver, 1 gold and 1 silver to Italian paraolimpics championship. and We have some surprise for the future…and in all this... no riser returned to house for defects, breaches or other...

Not bad, no? We are to the beginning with a riser revolutionary, and "Rome wasn' t built in a day"


For who want to try the FiberBow , our retailers in England have the availability to make it.

Ciao to all.
Giuseppe



web site: www.fiberbowarchery.com
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Old 31-03-06, 09:48 AM
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I shot one of the KG carbon bows, it was no lighter than the magnesium ones of the time. There are some US manufacturers doing carbon too. Under 2lbs weight in the hand in some cases.
Independent reviews were not too impressed. Lots of energy going into the archer. You could add stabilisers but then you are back to no gain in the weight loss department.
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Old 31-03-06, 09:59 AM
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Is a really light riser any good? Most people add weight to there bows to make them more stable. A really light compound bow tends to be difficut to hold steady and difficult to aim. Not so sure about a recurve. Target riffles/pistols are made heavy to make them more stable.
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Old 31-03-06, 10:03 AM
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Riser: Winact -original version
Limbs: Samick Extreme
Sight: Arc Systeme SX10
Stabilisers: Spiga Scorpion rods
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Is a really light riser any good? Most people add weight to there bows to make them more stable. A really light compound bow tends to be difficut to hold steady and difficult to aim. Not so sure about a recurve. Target riffles/pistols are made heavy to make them more stable.
Well... In theory you just add weight to the stabilsers. That way although the handle is lighter, the total weight should end up similar and you end up with more stabilisation. The trouble is, people don't think about how much stabilising influence the mass of the riser has.
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Old 31-03-06, 10:31 AM
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The trouble is, people don't think about how much stabilising influence the mass of the riser has.
My point exactly Rik, there is an optimum weight for a target bow to be, depending on the archer.
As a quote from a book I am reading just now by Bernie Pellerite he says " most pro shooters add 3 to 8lb of stabilizers, V-bars and back weights, just to hold the bow steady". A light riser will be good in one way as it gives the archer the choice of where they can put more weight.

The down side of a heavy bow is it's hard work on the deltoid. However, no pain no gain. Strength training is in order to build endurance. I doubt very much a super light carbon riser is worth the cost. OK it will feel great to shoot, but I doubt it's overall accuracy compared to a conventional bow of reasonable weight.

As technology gains ground it seems people make things lighter and smaller, often for the wrong reasons, and at the detriment of true progress.
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Old 31-03-06, 12:04 PM
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Riser:
Limbs: Fiberbow
Sight: Copper John
Stabilisers: Win&Win
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About weight...

Well... As many pointed out, the pros use heavy bows... because a heavy stabilisation helps more than a light one.
I mean... if you have 2 pounds stabilisation on a 3 pounds riser, you end up with a 4 pounds bow but a stab/riser ratio of 0.66...
Immagine putting 2 pounds of stab on a 1.5 pounds riser: you have a 1.33 ratio, that is the double of the old one...

It's right to say that a bow has an optimal weigh, that can be determined by the poundage and the constitution of the archer
You're wrong when you say "no pain no gain": not everybody is a pro, not everybody has time to train as a pro...

I shoot with it from August of last year... Since then I made 2 PB and reached for the whole indoor season my old PB (580) lots of times... training a lot less than last year!
I made only one outdoor tournament (H&F) and I made more than 10 points better than my previous PB (332 with a miss )...
I'm waiting for the "FITA" season... next month

The only thing I can say is: try it before to buy it... I think it is worth the trip to the dealer... But I don't think it is fair to denigrate it just because it is unusual. Nothing has ever been built before like it: it is not carbon, it is carbonfiber... a bit different... more or less the same difference between a transistor and a chip
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Old 31-03-06, 12:10 PM
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Limbs: Fiberbow
Sight: Copper John
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PS: pistol shooting is quite different and need to be heavy as the explosion makes the gun jumping upwards... and going backwards as the bullet goes away... Never seen this in a bow, not even in a schoolbow...
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Old 31-03-06, 12:42 PM
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About weight...

Well... As many pointed out, the pros use heavy bows... because a heavy stabilisation helps more than a light one.
I mean... if you have 2 pounds stabilisation on a 3 pounds riser, you end up with a 4 pounds bow but a stab/riser ratio of 0.66...
Immagine putting 2 pounds of stab on a 1.5 pounds riser: you have a 1.33 ratio, that is the double of the old one...

It's right to say that a bow has an optimal weight, that can be determined by the poundage and the constitution of the archer
You're wrong when you say "no pain no gain": not everybody is a pro, not everybody has time to train as a pro...

I shoot with it from August of last year... Since then I made 2 PB and reached for the whole indoor season my old PB (580) lots of times... training a lot less than last year!
I made only one outdoor tournament (H&F) and I made more than 10 points better than my previous PB (332 with a miss )...
I'm waiting for the "FITA" season... next month

The only thing I can say is: try it before to buy it... I think it is worth the trip to the dealer... But I don't think it is fair to denigrate it just because it is unusual. Nothing has ever been built before like it: it is not carbon, it is carbonfiber... a bit different... more or less the same difference between a transistor and a chip
Ahhh so it's a lazy mans recurve Each to there own, if you like it fine. Ok not all people can train to pro standards, that I can understand and respect. However to say I'm "wrong" is plain rubbish. Tell the new GB coach that we don't need to train to be good at archery. You may be quiet good with out practice in shooting and physical excersise but I doubt you will ever be great. Not with a recurve anyway. I feel compound is less demanding. ( that's why I do it, I'm lazy)

I fail to understand how the ratio of stabilisation has anything to do with it. Weight is weight whatever you call it. A steady stable bow comes from more than just stabilisation, it's the all up mass that helps too. Good luck with your super light bow when the wind blows..Indoors it may be quite good, but no better that any other bow, I agree it will be nice to hold and shoot as it's light, but stand fast on my opinion that it is simply "too light" to be ideal as a target bow. Give it to a pro archer and thay would shoot it well, then give you it back thanking you for the experience and continue to shoot there own.

If I'm wrong about all this, fine, lets give it a few years and see if this type of bow shows up in the archery world in large numbers. I'm not holding my breath..

I have used Carbon "fibre" many times in other applications ( Wing spars for Hi tec Gliders) When I say Carbon I refer to the same thing. All carbon Fibre comes in the form of "towes" ( spelling may be wrong) , lengths of black flat material, that can be formed into a weave to form cloth, this is then layed up into a mould. It's strength is formed by wetting it out with a form of resin such as Epoxy or fibreglass.
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Old 31-03-06, 01:30 PM
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Aragorn,
When the gun shoots upwards isn't that the result of it trying to jump back plus the fact that it is held below the barrel causing torque? In trying to jump back it does what it can, which is to rotate backwards.
In a bow, the same sort of things must try to happen, they just produce different results. The arrow, string, limbs go forward and the riser goes back towards the archer. Then the energy, still in the limbs, is carried into the riser to push it forwards eventually. It is the jumping back of the riser that activates the inertia drop away rests. Newton said action and reaction etc
If one part goes forward something must go back; it isn't the string,arrow or limb tips so what's left?
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