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Old 25-01-07, 11:17 PM
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buttons why?

ive been shooting for 18 monthes and always thought that if the bear shaft is hitting left then the the spring is to weak so if i increase the preasure then it will bring the shaft in to the group but when i do this the fleached arrows move the same distence as the bear shaft , so the only way i can bring it in to the group is to tune the arrow point weight slow down string etc , so this leaves me to think what does the button do does it only move the arrows left and right . please help my head is totaly in the shed over this .

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Old 26-01-07, 12:25 AM
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What is your;

Bow Weight
Draw Length
Arrow Length
Arrow Spine


It sounds like you've got an incorrectly spined arrow.

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Old 26-01-07, 12:39 AM
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What is your;

Bow Weight
Draw Length
Arrow Length
Arrow Spine


It sounds like you've got an incorrectly spined arrow.

Kae.
bow weight 44 on fingures

arrows 29" without the point

draw lenth thout it was the same as the arrows

cartel triple 400

arrows are showing weak after new string lighter and faster d75 bcy ,

can i tune round this with the button if not , what can i tune with a button
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Old 26-01-07, 12:41 AM
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left or right handed?
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Old 26-01-07, 12:45 AM
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The button has two functions

the first and primary to align centreshot - the left/rightness.

the second is to fine tune your setup to compensate for minor spine errors. This will NOT compensate if your arrows are wildly inaccurately spined.

If you are Right handed and the bare shaft is falling left...the arrows are too stiff

decrease button spring pressure or
reduce bracing height or
increase pile weight or
adjust bow weight

or a combination of the above

if you are left handed, the arrows are too whippy, you will need to do the opposite

None of these will adequately compensate for arrows that are very wrong.

T.
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Old 26-01-07, 12:46 AM
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left hand , sorry!
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Old 26-01-07, 10:46 AM
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Id suggest following the easton tuning guide....

What I now do (as per "The Heretic Archer") set the button depth for centre shot (point slightly right of string when string centred on riser. You can use the limb bolts for eyeballing this) and set it with a medium tension on the spring.

Set sight ring so that it is in line with the point of the arrow... then go shoot some fletched arrows. Adjust button pressure only until fleteched arrows are in the gold.

Centre shot is now set...

Now shoot bare shaft..... and see where you are.. If they do impact left then the spine is too weak...

You can lower poundage on the limps...(first) Then increase spring pressure...but this will affect centre shot..

Others to try: shorten arrow shafts. decrease point weight, increase number of strands of the string.

BTW Im a lefty too and having similar problems but my bare shaft impacts right....too stiff....


Hope this helps

Dave.
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Old 26-01-07, 11:16 AM
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You would not be the only one who has found this.
I also find exactly what you say, as does the only other archer in my club ever to have shot over 1250 recurve. However, I have heard of good archers who say they get the bareshaft to move relative to the fletched shafts by adjusting button pressure but I have only ever found it to do so for aluminium arrows.

I "tune" by adjusting the bow weight, as that does change where bare shafts go. But really I've found that a whole spine of arrow makes no notable difference to my scores with exactly the same set up, so go figure... (and I did this statistically over hundreds and hundreds of arrows)
Having a button and setting it up approximately right makes a big difference, fiddling with pressure, centreshot etc makes very very little, for me anyway.
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Old 26-01-07, 11:39 AM
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Riser: samicmaster
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Bow String: fastflight
Arrows: ace's 470

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thanks everyone for your reply's i have cut my arrows a little ( again) because i cant turn the bow down any more , ive also moved the clicher back a little so my draw lenth is the same as before , it's amazing what a fast light string can do . my old string which was slower made the bear shaft impact right in the middle of the group if the bear shaft does'nt impact withing the group ill ajust it by adding a larger serveing .

thanks again.
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Old 26-01-07, 12:32 PM
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What I now do (as per "The Heretic Archer") set the button depth for centre shot (point slightly right of string when string centred on riser. You can use the limb bolts for eyeballing this) and set it with a medium tension on the spring.

Set sight ring so that it is in line with the point of the arrow... then go shoot some fletched arrows. Adjust button pressure only until fleteched arrows are in the gold.

Centre shot is now set...
Slight clarification on this. Adjusting button pressure to move fletched arrows into the gold is done so that nocking point adjustment is made with the arrow's horizontal behaviour in the right ball park. It has nothing to do with pressure button adjustment itself - this is done later after nocking point is set. If you adjust nock point with an arbitrary button set up then when the button is adjusted it messes up the nock point position.
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