Arrow's for Grozer Old Scythian bow.

[JasonL]

Hi All,

I've been shooting my 11/32 pine arrow's spined at 45# for a 50# long bow from my 50# scythian and they seam to fish tail like nobodies business when shot from it. Is this because of the speed of the bow or have I got incorrectly spined arrow's for the bow.

Does anybdoy have any ideas as to a suitable arrow spine for this type of bow?

[ratty]

Originally Posted by JasonL

Hi All,

I've been shooting my 11/32 pine arrow's spined at 45# for a 50# long bow from my 50# scythian and they seam to fish tail like nobodies business when shot from it. Is this because of the speed of the bow or have I got incorrectly spined arrow's for the bow.

Does anybdoy have any ideas as to a suitable arrow spine for this type of bow?

5.5" fletchings will help and try a different release maybe 3 fingers under or a thumb ring.

hope this helps.

ps. your problem wont be the spining

[N.Vodden]

One thing i would suggest is dont use 11/32's, i have the exact same problem with my old scythian ( 40lb draw, arrows spined 40lb also ) and my 11/32 arrows do not want to behave... they get thier accurately enough, but the arrow flight is far from smooth and a lot of energy is wasted. They fishtail from side to side and you can hear the drag slowing them down if that makes any sense.

one of the experienced 'asiatic' bow archers at my club who has been shooting Hun style bows for many years and making his own arrows for longer, told me he wouldnt touch 11/32 with a barge pole unless he was shooting VERY high poundage warbows, and recommended 5/16s instead.

I've just made a full set of 5/16s for the mrs who's Mongol bow is on the way and decided to try them across my bow.. the arrow flight is SUPERB and the sheer increase in speed is phenomenal. I'm going to order the stuff to make a full set of 5/16 for myself now... im jealous

[JasonL]

Thanks Ratty and V,

Any ideas as to what causes the fish tailing?

[ratty]

Originally Posted by JasonL

Thanks Ratty and V,

Any ideas as to what causes the fish tailing?

a larger fletch would help stop the fishtail, i also have a old scythian by grozer.

i have noticed my arrows kick on first release, it is probably got something to do with the size of the bow and the bow recoil (if recoil is the right word)

i would recommend 32" shaft even if you dont draw 32" 11/32 120 grain pile and atleast 5" fletch.

on a clout i can still shoot 180yds easy

my old scythian is 60# at 28" but drawn to 32" becomes 80#

ps. hold the bow tight in your hand it will help your accuracy too.it took me a while to work it out.



i hope this helps.



if you only draw 28" 5/16 will be fine

pps. i love this bow its so fast

[steve58]

Originally Posted by N.Vodden

one of the experienced 'asiatic' bow archers at my club who has been shooting Hun style bows for many years and making his own arrows for longer, told me he wouldnt touch 11/32 with a barge pole unless he was shooting VERY high poundage warbows, and recommended 5/16s instead.

Hi V, does that advice apply to longbow or just eastern style bows? I shoot with 53lbs on my fingers and always hesitate between 5/16" and 11/32".

[ratty]

cedar works better than pine also.

[steve58]

Originally Posted by ratty

cedar works better than pine also.

I keep hearing that Cedar is not what it was quality-wise? Smells nicer for sure! What about other woods? Sitka Spruce? Am contemplating investing in some of these shafts from Hi-Force.

[ratty]

Originally Posted by steve58

I keep hearing that Cedar is not what it was quality-wise? Smells nicer for sure! What about other woods? Sitka Spruce? Am contemplating investing in some of these shafts from Hi-Force.

i agree cedar does smell gorgeous

as for Sitka spruce (isnt that pine?) i really couldnt say sorry. im looking to try some poplar myself.

i use ash and pine on my warbows on my light longbow and scythian and flatbow i use cedar

[N.Vodden]

Originally Posted by steve58

Hi V, does that advice apply to longbow or just eastern style bows? I shoot with 53lbs on my fingers and always hesitate between 5/16" and 11/32".

Hi Steve!

to be honest im not sure, the person who told me ( also a Steve ) told me that asiatic archers would pretty much never use such thick arrows as an 11/32, they were very thin to maximize speed and range. He has just finished a full set of bamboo arrows made from Psuedosasa japonica ( growing in his garden, cut to length and cured for 3 months) with self nocks, bound in animal sinew and fish glue ( homemade ) that are about 5-6mm thick and fly like concorde! so fast and accurate they astound me... i want some! but my skills would make a mockery of them!

He said to me that the thicker heavier shafts only really suit very heavy draw weight bows , over 100lb for example and the English Warbow was a spearchucker, throwing hard hitting heavy arrows at armour. And the asiatic style of bows favoured a light arrow, quite whippy with sheer speed behind them.

i think its just what the different nations used and preferred but my Scyth does seem to prefer 5/16.

and your right, POC shafts smell absolutely gorgeous dont they