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24-03-08, 11:50 AM
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 The very first entry in the result set (from which this quote is drawn) is DarwinsLawOfEvolution, a readable and well-informed essay discussing Darwin's Law and Creationism. Darwin's Law [2] of Evolution by Natural Selection (traditionally referred to as a "theory" to honor Darwin's original treatise,... This is only one source of many. Disagreement rages between Creationists and 'Evolutionists' and it's a fair assumption that the Creationists avoid the word 'Law'.
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24-03-08, 12:01 PM
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24-03-08, 04:10 PM
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24-03-08, 05:02 PM
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| Wow, I go away for a week and it all kicks off...  3 things: 1st is off-topic - the distinction between law and theory isn't really that one is fact and without doubt. It's more to do with theories explaining why something happens and laws with what will happen. Even if we could prove e.g. the Big bang, it wouldn't become a law, just an event. Hence you get the second law of thermodynamics - entropy increases in an isolated system and quantum theory which explains why (amongst other things). Special relativity is a theory, but if it were wrong, satnavs wouldn't work, so we can be pretty sure! 2nd is vaguely on-topic - to say that 'A man shooting another man - is debatable... its manslaughter at best...' is just wrong. It would be quite possibl for a jury to find that the negligence was not sufficient to give rise to a conviction. It might be manslaughter, but that's not 'at best'. 3rd and to the point, everybody is missing a vital point about the banning of knives and guns. They were brought about because people deliberately killed and wounded with them. The children at Dunblane weren't ****ing around in a garden and the trick went wrong. Then there are the practicalities and technicalities. Knives are not banned in this country. Everybody has them. They are banned in public. So are bows and arrows. You can have them there for a lawful reason, as you can with knives, but if you don't have a good reason for having an arrow (say) with you in public, then you are in possession of a pointed article (if not an offensive weapon) and are guilty. You could face 2 years. Handguns were banned as a result of a terrible mass murder of children. It was considered that the relatively small number of people who had good reason for wanting them was outweighed by the need to prevent a further attack. They were always banned in public without good reason, just as bows and arrows are. I hasten to add that I am not defending the stunt, which did not seem to be sensible and which should certainly have carried a warning. Nor am I saying that a ban would be impossible. But much of the hysteria in this thread has just been ignoring basic facts. |
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24-03-08, 09:04 PM
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| Ermm, sorry to butt in here, but Dan (ChakaZulu, can I call you Dan?) is a barrister, according to his profile, so I'd think he knows a fair amount about the legal side of things. *butts out*  |
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24-03-08, 09:18 PM
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I would be extremely surprised to see licencing of bows, let alone a ban follow an accident that happened in a situation like this. I would be mildly surprised to see a conviction for manslaughter. |
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24-03-08, 10:03 PM
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| Cheers Just to add my opinion here, not that it counts for much  I can definitely see both sides of the argument, however in my opinion people should have enough common sense not to try something like this, when it is obvious 1: how potentially dangerous it could be and 2: how much skill it requires to do something like this. I enjoyed watching the video, the said part was very impressive, however I would never even contemplate either trying to be the person who is shooting the target, nor the person who is holding it. I would think that the vast majority, if not all would feel the same. Perhaps the video should carry a "do not try this at home" style warning, but personally I think that goes without saying, and it's not really the responsibility of the person (Nick) who posted the video. Adding to that, there must be numerous moments in films where equally if not more dangerous scenes associated with archery take place, whether these carry warnings or not is neither here nor there in my opinion. In fact, I've recently borrowed a DVD from another club member, "Byron Ferguson's Incredible Shots". In the DVD Byron Ferguson performs multiple "dangerous" shots, such as shooting an aspirin (yes, and aspirin) which his wife tossed up out of mid air, the arrow passes around 2-3 feet from her head, which I'd say is equally risky compared with the video in question, perhaps more so considering he is shooting at a moving target. True, this video has many warnings not to try this sort of thing yourself, but I don't see how that makes things a whole lot better. I don't have any problems with this sort of thing, and can't really see why some people do, but that's free speech for you  |
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24-03-08, 10:39 PM
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| Thanks Sam, very kind of you. On the subject of the video I don't really know what else to say apart from that I completely agree with what you said there, can't really add a lot to it However I still think it is a matter of the viewers responsibility, and I think it's very similar to many other things out there, stunt (motorcycle) riding for example, the majority of people will acknowledge the amount of skill required to perform said stunt and not even consider trying it themselves, but there could, just could, be an idiot out there who will give it a go. Back in context with archery, if such an idiot did decide to "give it a go" and someone got hurt (admitedly they'd have a tough time finding another person willing to hold a target which they shot at) it could indeed bring about a bit of a stigma about archery (have I said that correctly?) which would, like you say, promote a negative image of the sport. Anybody remotely experienced would know that archery is a very safe sport, but unfortunately the vast majority, including those who make the big decisions on controls of "weapons" will probably not have the vaguest idea about archery. So yeah, I think we're both singing from the same hymn sheet here |
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24-03-08, 10:42 PM
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| Page 7 and you're all still going round in circles discussing the what ifs!!! 
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24-03-08, 10:58 PM
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Yeh 7 pages. If it did happen for real, we may need another server.... 
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