Ranting and Raving

[JohnK]

Originally Posted by Matt Easton

Actually, no.. because the English were Angles and Saxons living in northern Germany and Denmark at that time.

Matt

Indeedy

Reminds me of the graffiti the Sons of Glendower painted on a wall on Anglesey - "Keep the British out of Wales". So, English *and* Welsh out then?

[gino]

Originally Posted by JohnK

Indeedy

Reminds me of the graffiti the Sons of Glendower painted on a wall on Anglesey - "Keep the British out of Wales". So, English *and* Welsh out then?

They didn't consider wales part of britain so no, it doesn't include the welsh. But I'm from cardiff and barely anyone down there speaks welsh. I met a girl from north wales and upon hearing I was from cardiff she said "oh that's not Wales"

[JohnK]

Originally Posted by gino

They didn't consider wales part of britain so no, it doesn't include the welsh.

Which betrays total ignorance on their part, hence my comment

But I'm from cardiff and barely anyone down there speaks welsh. I met a girl from north wales and upon hearing I was from cardiff she said "oh that's not Wales"

Mate of mine comes from Cardiff. Whenever he mentions it, all of his friends are primed to say "Cardiff - that's near Wales, isn't it?"

[Ceri Jones]

The one on Anglesea was the language group who seemed to have revived painting on walls all over Bangor as well.
Thing is the Welsh were the Britons, then the Saxons and the Angles arrived. Shows how much the person who wrote that knew.

Most nationalist welsh speakers in north wales dont consider much of the south to be Wales anymore (Dont mention Pembrokeshire) and spend most of the time protesting outside council/assembly offices. Being from carmarthenshire and a welsh speaker shocks many of them. It is mostly ignorance

[Matt Easton]

Well the northern and southern 'Welsh' were varied in the middle ages - the southerners were famed archers and the northerners were famed as spearmen (spears of the pike variety, not for throwing). The southern Welsh assisted Edward I in his conquest of northern Wales. Of course, Welsh archers served in English armies thereafter, but so did northern Welsh spearmen.
Oh, and 'Welsh' is just the Anglo-Saxon word for 'foreigner'... In Anglo-Saxon England it was the name given to Britons, who under Anglo-Saxon law were classed as unfreemen (ie. slaves). It wasn't just the modern Welsh that were known as Welsh - all Britons were called 'Welsh' by the English. A bunch of Britons fled to Gaul, and hence created Brittany (little Britannia).
For anyone who doesn't know, the Scots arrived in what is now Scotland (from Northern Ireland) during the same period that the English were arriving in what is now England (5th-7thC). So next time you get any crap from a Scotsman about English imperialism, remind them that their ancestors wiped out the native Picts and stole the land. We simply taught them how to speak and eat properly.

Matt

[Furface]

Originally Posted by Matt Easton

Actually, no.. because the English were Angles and Saxons living in northern Germany and Denmark at that time.

Matt

...where they were regularly being tickled up by Roman legions and/or traders who relied on the threat.

[Paper_Arrow]

Originally Posted by Matt Easton

For anyone who doesn't know, the Scots arrived in what is now Scotland (from Northern Ireland) during the same period that the English were arriving in what is now England (5th-7thC). So next time you get any crap from a Scotsman about English imperialism, remind them that their ancestors wiped out the native Picts and stole the land. We simply taught them how to speak and eat properly.

Matt

It should also be noted that the anglo saxon kingdoms extended north as far as Edinbrough and Glasgow. Though they dont like to mention it, a lot of the lowland scots are historically of Anglo Saxon decent and not scotts.

[Matt Easton]

Indeed.. and I happen to know a couple of the people who were involved in the y-chromosome genetic mapping of the UK at UCL (featured in 'Blood of the Vikings' on the BBC), and most lowland Scots (men at least) have English genetic types, not Scot (Irish).
I feel impartial in this, as I'm 1/8 Scot

Matt

[jb.68]

Originally Posted by rgsphoto

With regards to the longbow being the only wepon to change the course of English History, hmmmm I think there may be a few more to add to the list of blood and guts.

I agree, not the only weapon to change the course of this nations history, but in my opinion the only one that has such a strong fondness in the hearts of our nation.
You've only gotta look at how many people are still joining our clubs up and down the country.
It was also seriously considered by Wellington that archery could be used in the peninsular wars, as the shooting rate (12-17 per min) would give a great advantage over the french guns firing rate (2-3 per min).

Had to shelve plans tho when they realised that shooting the bow could not be mastered in such a short time.
:rifle:

[English Bowman]

Originally Posted by jb.68

I agree, not the only weapon to change the course of this nations history, but in my opinion the only one that has such a strong fondness in the hearts of our nation.
You've only gotta look at how many people are still joining our clubs up and down the country.
It was also seriously considered by Wellington that archery could be used in the peninsular wars, as the shooting rate (12-17 per min) would give a great advantage over the french guns firing rate (2-3 per min).

Had to shelve plans tho when they realised that shooting the bow could not be mastered in such a short time.
:rifle:

Possibly, but what about the Spitfire? It didn't win the battle of Britain, but it won the propaganda war, and is the first fighter plane than most British people think of when asked to name one.