learning on a Hungarian bow

[jb.68]

Originally Posted by ratty

hello jb.68

i seem to get shouted at where ever i post

how are you?

I'm fine ta.
I'm not getting anything on that link mate. I'd like to see that bow of yours.

[ratty]

Originally Posted by jb.68

I'm fine ta.
I'm not getting anything on that link mate. I'd like to see that bow of yours.

i removed the link because im starting to get abuse ill pm it to you.

[robtattoo]

Hmmmm. I don't think ratty has been particulrly offensive, to be honest. I watched the video clip & I have to say that, his form & execution are excellent (if not Hunnic!)
I think that it may be a case that ratty in a naturally gifted archer (hey, some of us just are ) and is assuming that everyone can shoot to the standard he's at, for the time he's been shooting. I mean no offense by any ofthis, by the way. I think that the principle of learning to the bow that you're most enamoured with is basically sound, if you happen to have a natural talent for archery. It's like all sports, some folks are just good at i from the moment they start. Others have to work & practice very hard to acheive a standard, whilst others may never get there. For most of us, wehave to practice, train & be taught the basics of body alignment, form, release etc. & for us, learning this with a cheap, commonly availaible club recurve is a far better & easier way to go. I'm not saying that everyone should learn with a modern recurve & I'm not saying that everyone should go out & buy a milti-hundred pound (cost) longbow/hun/mygar/asiatic bow either. I would like to suggest that if you're asking on a public forum whether you should start with a recurve & then change styles, you are not sufficiently comfortable with your own abilities & that this would be the better option for you. If you think you would be able to shoot instictively & are not worried about attaining any particular scores or classifications, then go for it! Before anyone criticises me for this, I shoot American Longbow (It is NOT a flatbow!) istinctively, Hunnic bow with a thumbring, Unlimited compound & Target recurve. I've tried them all & shoot them all regularly. I'm better with some than with others, I enjoy some more than others, but not nesecerally the ones I'm best at!
Just as a little aside (& again ratty, not a dig) You're shootng your Hun as though it were an English warbow, not an Asiatic at all. Before you start to deride others for their opinions, it maybe agood idea to have a look at yourself. A hunnic/Maygar or Asiatic bow is shot with the thumb,with the arrow on the opposite side of the bow, not 3-fingers under & off the hand. Just an observation is all.

[pHz]

having read a little bit around this i know ratty is shooting the asiatic bow in the tradtional way many texts describe but watching video of people like kassai (who obviously knows his stuff) shoot they DO shoot off the fingers and with a modern recurve style draw (at least some of the time)

i guess its a bit like the debate between victorian style longbow shooters (some of whom even use - gasp - platform tabs ! ) and the warbow purists

bottom line - whatever works for you i guess unless youre really into the historical accuracy / reenactment side of things

me ? - ill carry on shooting my little mongo with the thumbring when i feel up to it but mostly with a mutant recurve draw since thats what works best for me right now

slainte rob

[jb.68]

Originally Posted by ratty

im confused .
? is my post rude or offensive?

I didn't think so...

[ratty]

Originally Posted by robtattoo

You're shootng your Hun as though it were an English warbow, not an Asiatic at all. Before you start to deride others for their opinions, it maybe agood idea to have a look at yourself. A hunnic/Maygar or Asiatic bow is shot with the thumb,with the arrow on the opposite side of the bow, not 3-fingers under & off the hand. Just an observation is all.

i have not derided anyone. i offerd advice. (as was asked for)

its personal preference and choose that i shoot the hungarian the way that i do

horse bows are not restricted to being shot from a horse with a thumb ring or from the otherside of the bow,

heavier bows were made for foot soldiers.

now some of these bows were supposed to be made upto 150# +

i would love to meet someone that can pull over 100#on there thumb,im not saying its impossible but i cant do it and niether can any of you

i shoot three fingers under on the hungarian because i can draw the bow without pinching my fingers to the arrows(oh and my arrows are 1/2" wide) and i use 2 fingers one either side when shooting an english warbow.

the style i shoot puts the weight straight onto my back which enables me to pull over 100#

again personal preference.

i originally answered the post because someone asked for help.

and i offerd good advice because i was re-educated by recurve archers,so i know what the person will face after the beginner brain washing.


teach the person to shoot the hungarian like a recurve i dont care maybe he should draw 26" to there chin,and kiss the string too.

its obviously very clicky and anal here, i wont be posting again.

[robtattoo]

Fine mate.

I tried to post advice, for both of you with no malice implied or intended, in fact I believe I was actually quite complimentary towards you!. If that's the way you take the slightest criticism, then frankly, the forum will be better off without you & your knee-jerk reactions.

Incedentally, you did not offer 'Good Advice' You offered advice which you believe is best. It isn't nescesarrily good at all.

Bye now!

[ratty]

Originally Posted by robtattoo

Fine mate.

I tried to post advice, for both of you with no malice implied or intended, in fact I believe I was actually quite complimentary towards you!. If that's the way you take the slightest criticism, then frankly, the forum will be better off without you & your knee-jerk reactions.

Incedentally, you did not offer 'Good Advice' You offered advice which you believe is best. It isn't nescesarrily good at all.

Bye now!

the last part of the post wasnt aimed at you rob, so you can have your knee-jerk reaction back if you like.

it was aimed at the people who launched at me with no provocation.

its supposed to be advice for tomhead69 and his hungarian bow.

not lets all have a go at ratty.

[WhitehartFB]

Originally Posted by ratty

i totally agree.

wow, whats this then pick on ratty day

I am happy for anyone to shoot what ever bow style they like and how they like as long as it's done safely. All I wanted to point out from the video was that if this shooting event was at a GNAS club then I am led to believe that the practice of not all collecting arrows at the same time may invalidate any claims under GNAS insurance should there be a problem.

[ratty]

Originally Posted by Whitehart

I am happy for anyone to shoot what ever bow style they like and how they like as long as it's done safely. All I wanted to point out from the video was that if this shooting event was at a GNAS club then I am led to believe that the practice of not all collecting arrows at the same time may invalidate any claims under GNAS insurance should there be a problem.

thankyou for your concern and i will mention it when im next there.

again thankyou.